Bell Pottinger

TelkomUseless said:
Gupta/Jz will probably still use them (on the low down...)
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They aren't going to be in business much longer for anyone to use them...

UK firms won't use a PR firm who's been proven to use racist ideology.

Clydesdale Bank, the construction company Carillion, HSBC and TalkTalk revealed on Tuesday that they had stopped working with Bell Pottinger. Their departure brings the number of clients to have left the PR agency in the wake of the scandal to seven. Several others are considering their position.

A number of senior staff are also understood to have tendered their resignations from the agency on Tuesday.
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Dave said:
They aren't going to be in business much longer for anyone to use them...

UK firms won't use a PR firm who's been proven to use racist ideology.
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It was tongue in cheek ;). Actually they made much pounds from Gupta/JZ... they should ask Gupta to keep feeding them.
 
I hope this serves as fair warning to other companies that deal with or may consider dealing with the deplorable Zuptas.

Their money is tainted and their intentions wicked.
 
If only the consequences on those at the other end where as swift. It saddens me how in the UK once the truth comes out people like that sink very fast where here in SA it just washes off like a water of a ducks back. Shabir got convicted Zuma got away scott free. Now this. The only consequences the Zupta's are facing now are those created by the private, and very brave media, and the ordinary people who are doing everything in their power to stop support for anything the Gupta's have a stake in. Its infuriating how much evidence is building up and there have been almost no serious legal repurcusions or actions by our law enforcement, the NPA, Hawks, etc.

The banks at least took a bold step and closed their accounts and the ANC's response has been to start moving the wheels to take more control of them as well via any means. The SARB, transformation (a vieled attempt to put ANC stooges in charge of the banks), etc is all suddenly very needed after Tony Gupta's bank account got closed.
 
Cius said:
If only the consequences on those at the other end where as swift. It saddens me how in the UK once the truth comes out people like that sink very fast where here in SA it just washes off like a water of a ducks back. Shabir got convicted Zuma got away scott free. Now this. The only consequences the Zupta's are facing now are those created by the private, and very brave media, and the ordinary people who are doing everything in their power to stop support for anything the Gupta's have a stake in. Its infuriating how much evidence is building up and there have been almost no serious legal repurcusions or actions by our law enforcement, the NPA, Hawks, etc.

The banks at least took a bold step and closed their accounts and the ANC's response has been to start moving the wheels to take more control of them as well via any means. The SARB, transformation (a vieled attempt to put ANC stooges in charge of the banks), etc is all suddenly very needed after Tony Gupta's bank account got closed.
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That is because they are captured, all headed by Zupta lackeys.
 
A few paragraphs from a longer article.

Are Bell Pottinger's clients fleeing because of morality or cowardice?

I have a confession to make. For many years I have done business with an international financial organisation that has been involved in money laundering.

This same shameless company has been investigated for illegally manipulating the markets to maximise its profits, for enabling some pretty dodgy individuals to evade taxes and profit from drug-trafficking, and which has also been fined hundreds of millions of pounds for mis-selling its products.

What an unsavoury outfit. And yet I still choose to bank with HSBC because, for the most part, it’s always been pretty good to me.

This is the same Richemont that, while selling clean-living luxury goods and boasting of its sustainability credentials, prefers not to talk about its massive investment in tobacco.

This is the same Investec whose name cropped up hundreds of times in the so-called Panama Papers after controversial law firm Mossack Fonseca was hacked.

On top of which, when the heat of this scandal has abated as it surely will, their more enlightened clients will recall the great service they’ve received and the loyalties that they’ve built over many years of successful reputation enhancement.

Some of their clients, like my HSBC, might have behaved unethically. Some of their bosses’ decisions, like those at HSBC, were unforgiveable. Some of their behaviour, like HSBC’s, was obscenely arrogant.

Yet, like HSBC, they also provide a largely brilliant service to customers who, like me, value loyalty and know that the best companies learn from their inevitable mistakes.

Personally, I think those who are currently abandoning Bell Pottinger are showing not a moralistic courage but a panicked cowardice.
http://www.prweek.com/article/1443886/bell-pottingers-clients-fleeing-morality-cowardice
 
nightjar said:
A few paragraphs from a longer article.

Are Bell Pottinger's clients fleeing because of morality or cowardice?

I have a confession to make. For many years I have done business with an international financial organisation that has been involved in money laundering.

This same shameless company has been investigated for illegally manipulating the markets to maximise its profits, for enabling some pretty dodgy individuals to evade taxes and profit from drug-trafficking, and which has also been fined hundreds of millions of pounds for mis-selling its products.

What an unsavoury outfit. And yet I still choose to bank with HSBC because, for the most part, it’s always been pretty good to me.

This is the same Richemont that, while selling clean-living luxury goods and boasting of its sustainability credentials, prefers not to talk about its massive investment in tobacco.

This is the same Investec whose name cropped up hundreds of times in the so-called Panama Papers after controversial law firm Mossack Fonseca was hacked.

On top of which, when the heat of this scandal has abated as it surely will, their more enlightened clients will recall the great service they’ve received and the loyalties that they’ve built over many years of successful reputation enhancement.

Some of their clients, like my HSBC, might have behaved unethically. Some of their bosses’ decisions, like those at HSBC, were unforgiveable. Some of their behaviour, like HSBC’s, was obscenely arrogant.

Yet, like HSBC, they also provide a largely brilliant service to customers who, like me, value loyalty and know that the best companies learn from their inevitable mistakes.

Personally, I think those who are currently abandoning Bell Pottinger are showing not a moralistic courage but a panicked cowardice.
http://www.prweek.com/article/1443886/bell-pottingers-clients-fleeing-morality-cowardice
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All true, but not remotely the same league
 
nightjar said:
A few paragraphs from a longer article.

Are Bell Pottinger's clients fleeing because of morality or cowardice?

I have a confession to make. For many years I have done business with an international financial organisation that has been involved in money laundering.

This same shameless company has been investigated for illegally manipulating the markets to maximise its profits, for enabling some pretty dodgy individuals to evade taxes and profit from drug-trafficking, and which has also been fined hundreds of millions of pounds for mis-selling its products.

What an unsavoury outfit. And yet I still choose to bank with HSBC because, for the most part, it’s always been pretty good to me.

This is the same Richemont that, while selling clean-living luxury goods and boasting of its sustainability credentials, prefers not to talk about its massive investment in tobacco.

This is the same Investec whose name cropped up hundreds of times in the so-called Panama Papers after controversial law firm Mossack Fonseca was hacked.

On top of which, when the heat of this scandal has abated as it surely will, their more enlightened clients will recall the great service they’ve received and the loyalties that they’ve built over many years of successful reputation enhancement.

Some of their clients, like my HSBC, might have behaved unethically. Some of their bosses’ decisions, like those at HSBC, were unforgiveable. Some of their behaviour, like HSBC’s, was obscenely arrogant.

Yet, like HSBC, they also provide a largely brilliant service to customers who, like me, value loyalty and know that the best companies learn from their inevitable mistakes.

Personally, I think those who are currently abandoning Bell Pottinger are showing not a moralistic courage but a panicked cowardice.
http://www.prweek.com/article/1443886/bell-pottingers-clients-fleeing-morality-cowardice
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Getting people to do the right thing for the wrong reasons is still a win in my book. As for justifying the immoral actions of a company by comparing them to the "more" immoral acts of another... sorry, that sort of circular logic doesn't fly because it can be used to justify anything.
 
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