Biomolecular machines

[Devill]

And the lies dont stop.... completely expected.

Can you please post all your research and all the discoveries you have made.....

Or you can email them to me?

Maybe show me where you have been quoted in a medical/science journal/paper.

Ps. I was talking to all 3 of you.... NM, you and alloytoo.

 

[w1z4rd]

Can you please post all your research and all the discoveries you have made.....

Or you can email them to me?

Maybe show me where you have been quoted in a medical/science journal/paper.

Um no.

I have written articles (more re climate change and geomagnetic reversals)... and I certainly did not get all my information from the Internet. You should see my library.

You really cant see the box can you?

I doubt you even understand my angle in this thread... shame man.. shame.

 

[Devill]

Um no.

I have written articles (more re climate change and geomagnetic reversals)... and I certainly did not get all my information from the Internet. You should see my library.

You really cant see the box can you?

I doubt you even understand my angle in this thread... shame man.. shame.

So how does that make you a biology/physiology expert? Can I also please see these papers you have writen?

Ps. I have a library too, does that make me a free thinker?

Rofl.

Can the mods maybe clean up this thread except for the relevant posts?

 

[alloytoo]

Can you please post all your research and all the discoveries you have made.....

Or you can email them to me?

Maybe show me where you have been quoted in a medical/science journal/paper.

Ps. I was talking to all 3 of you.... NM, you and alloytoo.

That's a distinctly different statement to:

Not one of you guys really ever have any "science" facts that YOU stumbled apon by yourselves

This statement implies that we have made no contribution to these forums, that we are merely responsive.

I am not a research scientist, I never claimed to be.

I have however posted a few essays (flawed as they are) in my own words on some subjects based on my understanding of certain principles.

 

[w1z4rd]

So how does that make you a biology/physiology expert?

Ps. I have a library too, does that make me a free think?

Rofl. can the mods maybe clean up this thread except for the relevant posts?

It gives me the ability to do critical thinking.. something you are clearly lacking. Do you know what your entire contribution to this thread has being? To slander people out of your ignorance.

My comments in this thread we based around teo`s over use of engineering analogies which he believes are indicative of design. Whether he wants to admit that or not is his own thing.. but its definitley a common trend in his posts.

Intelligent design is pseudoscience. So my posts hold up in that they are discussing the OP.

You have commented nothing on the OP.. or subjects around the OP.. your only contribution here has being to be ratty and chuck in a couple of forked tongue falsehoods. Waste of time bru. Move along.

 

[alloytoo]

Can the mods maybe clean up this thread except for the relevant posts?

Oh the irony is delicious.

 

[Devill]

That's a distinctly different statement to:

This statement implies that we have made no contribution to these forums, that we are merely responsive.

I am not a research scientist, I never claimed to be.

I have however posted a few essays (flawed as they are) in my own words on some subjects based on my understanding of certain principles.

Yet you refuse to allow Teo to post his own thinking? And yes he does not just Copy and paste, you just refuse to actually debate the statements with him like adults.

You are a hypocrite.

So how does that make you a biology/physiology expert? Can I also please see these papers you have writen?
Ps. I have a library too, does that make me a free thinker?
Rofl.
Can the mods maybe clean up this thread except for the relevant posts?

You have commented nothing on the OP.. or subjects around the OP..

Thus asking the mods to delete the posts Maybe you are thinking a bit too free and should rather read posts properly.

I again ask that you please show these papers that you have written.....
Lol, funny how you are a free thinker yet anyone that doesnt share your POVs could never be.

For the smart guys you pretend to be you are really very narrow minded and hypocritical.

Anyway please call the mods to delete all the non-relevant posts in this thread.

 

[alloytoo]

Yet you refuse to allow Teo to post his own thinking? And yes he does not just Copy and paste, you just refuse to actually debate the statements with him like adults.

You are a hypocrite.

Debate what?

What is his point?

Anyway please call the mods to delete all the non-relevant posts in this thread.

Did you forget "/irony"?

 

[Devill]

Debate what?

What is his point?

Did you forget "/irony"?

Everything he posts you rip into him, or anyone else for that matter that doesn't share your POV.

Why can he not have his opinion and you yours?

Lol, you are pathetic, you admit to posting things that are incorrect YET you will not give Teo the chance to post and learn. You do not give him any room..... Go look at NM's post, no relevance to the thread, its just for insulting Teo....and you guys just fan the flames.

How can you judge Teo if you are not a research scientist? (you admitted that yourself)

W1z4rd? You tell Teo he is wrong, yet you have not presented any form of qualification in biology/physiology.

All I am saying is get of your high horsies and play nice because you are being really retarded at the moment.

And yes all my posts in this thread have been off topic....so yes they all should be deleted

 

[alloytoo]

Everything he posts you rip into him, or anyone else for that matter that doesn't share your POV.

Why can he not have his opinion and you yours?

Lol, you are pathetic, you admit to posting things that are incorrect YET you will not give Teo the chance to post and learn. You do not give him any room..... Go look at NM's post, no relevance to the thread, its just for insulting Teo....and you guys just fan the flames.

How can you judge Teo if you are not a research scientist? (you admitted that yourself)

W1z4rd? You tell Teo he is wrong, yet you have not presented any form of qualification in biology/physiology.

All I am saying is get of your high horsies and play nice because you are being really retarded at the moment.

And yes all my posts in this thread have been off topic....so yes they all should be deleted

A lot of verbage and opinion, but you didn't answer the question.

What's his point?

For that matter, what's my POV? or yours in respect to so called molecular machines?

 

[Devill]

A lot of verbage and opinion, but you didn't answer the question.

What's his point?

For that matter, what's my POV? or yours in respect to so called molecular machines?

And yes all my posts in this thread have been off topic....so yes they all should be deleted

Do you need a pair of reading glasses?

You are nitpicking. (my posts)

I just explained my point to you, and you are far to self justified for me to even want to debate with you.

Thanks for listening though.

 

[alloytoo]

Do you need a pair of reading glasses?

You are nitpicking. (my posts)

I just explained my point to you, and you are far to self justified for me to even want to debate with you.

Thanks for listening though.

Ah driveby trolling.

 

[Devill]

Ah driveby trolling.

No I just refuse to debate with an idiot like you because eventually you will drag me down to your level and beat me there with experience....

You and your ilk are hypocrites and in general a joke.

Hope one day you will see that you are not always correct and that maybe you should "play nice", then others will actually be willing to listen to you even if they don't agree with your POV.

 

[alloytoo]

No I just refuse to debate with an idiot like you because eventually you will drag me down to your level and beat me there with experience....

You and your ilk are hypocrites and in general a joke.

Hope one day you will see that you are not always correct and that maybe you should "play nice", then others will actually be willing to listen to you even if they don't agree with your POV.

Insults + driveby trolling.

Well done, now run along to ethics class now, you definately need it.

 

[Teleological]

Now that you've had your childish and petulant outburst maybe you would like to address the issues.

Uhm, you should really take a class in logic. Did you really think that after you insult me this time in a childish manner I was going to sit back again ?

You say I am incapable of summarizing anything I post, yet posts #1 and #5 stare you in the face.
You insinuate that I'm still in school, implying that I suffer from a lack of education... How childish.
Here:

I see you're back to school yesterday like my sister.

and here:

Oh well, the schools went back yesterday.

So I point out your gross lack of senior high school biology (which you admitted to btw) and wouldn't be surprised if you did not attend a single class of senior high science either.
I am sorry mate, this thread was free of animosity until you arrived. Your malicious behavior and apparent lack of understanding anything related to science only further drives my point that you were and never will be interested in discussing anything related to science and your main agenda is character assassination of people who have opinions differing from your own, without ever engaging in any honest debate. It never was about the science was it...

What is your point?
I notice apart from nit picking you rarely seem to have one, and you persistently deny the one your behaviour leads us to assume.

I am sorry if you still do not get the point of this thread, but here it goes again:
A thread to lump together all the interesting discoveries regarding the intracellular biomolecular machinery that are crucial for life to exist. Feel free to post interesting discoveries and perhaps describe the functionality of the intracellular biomolecular machines.

A drive-by trolling with ‘interesting’ material couched in “design” terminology is typical creationist behavior.

The terminology used to describe these macromolecular complex are mechanical in nature in the primary literature. That IS how these complexes are described! If you think it is "design" terminology, so be it. If it somehow offends your sensibilities, science (and engineering for that matter) might not be your thing, and that is probably why you chose not to take senior high biology.

Personal attacks followed by whinging and whining, when responded to in kind, is typical creationist behaviour.

Like I said, this thread was fine until you came along. Did you really think I was just going to let you carry on?

Now I forget, is “….” In respect of 4 pages (IMS) of Richard Dawkins book, an example of:

a) Quotemining
b) The worth of your summary skill.
c) Plagiarism, because you just cut and paste it.

If you want us to assume otherwise, change your behaviour.

Quotemine. Was it misrepresented, do you want the whole book to be quoted? If so, I will apologize, but up until today you have not addressed the point! It was a quotemine with the intention to further the discussion without misrepresenting anyone in a malicious way. If it was the case, it was an honest mistake, and I really do apologize, I won't do it again, the point was not to misrepresent in a malicious way!
Do you want to roll back to that discussion so we can all witness your behavior? I would love to.

It’s worth noting that the accusation of plagiarism came from Dawkins net forums. Have you adequately addressed it? If so, a linky would be nice.

Old news, honest mistake, learned my lesson.
Here

Which brings me back to the question:

What is the point of this thread?

Are these articles interesting?

See above.

Yes they’re interesting, but you’re presenting them in a fashion that certainly doesn’t doesn’t make them attractive to discuss.

It is a pity that it offends your sensibilities, but that is the manner in which these macromolecular structures are described in the primary literature. Live with it.

Why do you keep on emphasising words that suggest the mechanical?
Are those words particularly interesting? If so why? Perhaps you have a spelling bee coming up, and you’re boning up on new words?

Spell emphasising for us.
You should read more, these words are actually being used in the primary published literature to describe these macromolecular structures!

Or…..

Are you perhaps suggesting that these scientists choice of words suggest design of these evolved biological functions.

Or... maybe these words are just used because they best describe the functioning of these macromolecular structures. Nothing more!

If that was your intent, then lets ask the scientists in question if that was their intent. I for one would like to hear their response. I think that would be very interesting, at least as interesting as the ethical debate that might follow should they deny it.

I think their intent was purely to describe what they observed with no metaphysical bias at all!

Are you suggesting that the processes and systems they're describing are irreducibly complex?

Behe suggests that irreducible complexity is a hallmark of design, though he seemingly ignores interlocking complexity, which is a predicted outcome of evolution.

You are the first person to bring up the term irreducible complexity in this thread.

I’m suggesting that singular uniqueness is a far better measure of design, would you care to discuss it?

Another one of your "bacteria are more rational than humans" and everything intelligible has a random cause" phrases? I suggest you open a thread to fully explain to us what precisely you mean.

To summarise:

If it is your intent to infer design in the biological systems described by these researchers?

Yes or no?

No!

A thread to lump together all the interesting discoveries regarding the intracellular biomolecular machinery that are crucial for life to exist. Feel free to post interesting discoveries and perhaps describe the functionality of the intracellular biomolecular machines.


Now I ask anyone here, is it so difficult to make a post that is relevant? Alloytoo, if you wish to continue this conversation without adding anything relevant to the thread, take it to this thread.

Sheesh, how many times must I ask for people to post something relevant... A disease I tellya.

 

[Teleological]

Ok, to get the thread back on track.


RNA-Splicing Machinery Revealed

A European group has paired a new high-speed technique for analyzing proteins with a database of partial gene sequences to identify 44 components of the human spliceosome. Researchers had previously identified only about half of the proteins in the spliceosome, a multiprotein machine that splices the noncoding sequences out of newly minted RNAs to produce messenger RNAs, the cell's templates for protein production. The feat also provided additional proof of the worth of the database of human gene fragments called "expressed sequence tags," which some genome experts once dismissed as a poor substitute for the complete gene sequences to come from the Human Genome Project

Spliceosomal Machinery

‘Spliceosomal Machinery’ describes how various small nuclear ribonucleic acids (snRNAs) and over 100 proteins interact to perform the precise removal of introns from eukaryotic pre-messenger RNAs. The conserved major U2-spliceosome machinery is the main focus of this article and other minor spliceosomes are also described, as well as an introduction to factors involved in regulating splicing.

Fascinating!
More detail later.

 

[alloytoo]

So I point out your gross lack of senior high school biology (which you admitted to btw) and wouldn't be surprised if you did not attend a single class of senior either.
I am sorry mate, this thread was free of animosity until you arrived. Your malicious behavior and apparent lack of understanding anything related to science only further drives my point that you were and never will be interested in discussing anything related to science and your main agenda is character assassination of people who have opinions differing from your own, without ever engaging in any honest debate. It never was about the science was it...

I'm reasonably convinced that you're still in school, and have far too much time on your hands.

I'm also convinced that it was indeed never about science, and I suspect others think so too.

However, since this thread is primarily as you say:

A thread to lump together all the interesting discoveries regarding the intracellular biomolecular machinery that are crucial for life to exist. Feel free to post interesting discoveries and perhaps describe the functionality of the intracellular biomolecular machines.

....a scrap book, good luck with that.

 

[Teleological]

Unbelievable!
Hopefully that is the last we will see from you in this thread! I think a lot of people have had enough of your BS character assassination jobbies. Enjoy your ignorance, your sig must really cut deep every time you read it!

I'm also convinced that it was indeed never about science, and I suspect others think so too.

No mate, this thread is ONLY about the science. What others (including me) want to make of the science is left for PD discussions

However, since this thread is primarily as you say:
....a scrap book, good luck with that.

Didn't know scrapbooks can attract so much vitriol from one person. Something must have been felt, a contrivance of sort...

 

[Teleological]

Nice video of the mRNA spliceosomal machinery.

 

[Devill]

Unbelievable!
Hopefully that is the last we will see from you in this thread! I think a lot of people have had enough of your BS character assassination jobbies. Enjoy your ignorance, your sig must really cut deep every time you read it!

Sorry for posting so many Off topic posts in here

I am at work now and will start really reading your thread when I get home.