Bitcoin: this is what a bubble looks like

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http://www.newstatesman.com/economics/2013/03/bitcoin-what-bubble-looks
That's the market capitalisation of Bitcoin, an innovative fiat currency which relies on some fancy cryptography to create a perfectly decentralised and unhackable store of value. The graph shows the total value of all bitcoins in circulation — and it's currently peaking at a little over half a billion dollars.

In a sense, Bitcoins are the ultimate fiat currency. There is absolutely nothing valuable about them except the extent to which others are prepared to take them as payment for goods and services. The willingness relies on a certain level of trust that the currency will stay a useful store of value, measure of exchange and unit of account in the near future; but whereas normal currencies derive the trust from the fact that they are backed up by respectable governments and independent central banks, Bitcoin derives it from a complex, and essentially permanent, set of rules which issue new bit coins at a steadily declining rate until the early 22nd century, when the total quantity of bitcoins in circulation will be fixed forever.

Currently, bitcoin is very useful for fringe-legal transactions, and as a digital-native currency, it has potential to be used in a wide array of web services. But that's not why the value of the total economy has more than tripled since January. For that, look to lessons we learned over four hundred years ago.

The South Sea bubble is one of the most famous boom-and-bust cycles in history. At the peak of the madness, famously, a huckster appeared public advertising stock in "a company for carrying out an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is". Naturally, he disappeared soon after.

But looking back at contemporary sources reveals something else which is just as important: very few people caught up in the madness thought that they were buying something innately valuable. These weren't naĂŻve investors spending exorbitant sums on stock which they thought would vest unrealistic rewards; instead, they knew full well the bubble they were buying into, but thought that they could sell out of it at profit before the whole thing came crashing down. Some did; but inevitably, many others failed.

Much the same seems to be at play in the Bitcoin ecosystem. It's not just people like Hugo Rifkind, who accidentally made ÂŁ41 from his foray into bit coin investing; Timothy Lee, a writer for Ars Technica, holds nearly a tenth of his investment portfolio in bitcoin, having bought in last January and seen a ten-fold increase in value.

But while there's been a massive increase in bitcoin price, there's not been anywhere near an equivalent increase in the currency's use. A glance at blockchain.info, which displays all transactions, shows that the vast majority of bitcoin transactions—by number, if not by value—are made at the site SatoshiDICE, a gambling organisation. In fact, the ever-increasing value of bitcoins is like to act as to depress the bitcoin economy, as people decide to hold on to their money rather than exchange it for services, knowing that it will surely increase in value.

The crash will come. At the heady peaks it's at right now, only the slightest spark will be required to turn the trend negative. In 2011, the previous bubble burst when Mt Gox, then the most popular bureau d'exchange for the fledgeling currency, was disastrously hacked. This time, I doubt it would take that. The peaks are so high, and so many people have so much money "invested" in the currency, that the rush to be the first out of a bear market will be vicious to behold.

Anybody here "invested" in Bitcoins?
 
I did in the beginning, but after it became impossible to mine for coins I tossed in the towel.
 
Government propaganda. Bitcoin fundamentals look a lot better than any fiat currency
out there, since it is not being inflated in the current fiat wars in a race to the bottom.

The USA has now imposed legal and accounting measures for Bitcoin exchanges, and
has advocated against Bitcoin since they cannot manipulate it like fiat and precious
metal paper prices.

Behold the rise in Bitcoin value since the Cyprus situation, with a massive influx of
PIGS money out of the Euro.

If a government tries to control a decentralized currency like Bitcoin they will fail
outside of their jurisdiction and will look like fools. Netizens will simply use exchanges
in Bitcoin-friendly countries if they are hamstrung by their respective governments.

A primary measure of control still remains in the form of tax audits on individuals
living beyond their means, to discover hidden income. The world is changing though,
and digital products are becoming a bigger part of our lives, e.g. something Bitcoins
can be spent on without leaving outer traces.
 
You dont invest in bitcoins. You use them, and there is a huge market for them. They are the de facto currency in certain underground markets. There are such huge markets around trading bitcoins for other currencies.
 
You dont invest in bitcoins. You use them, and there is a huge market for them. They are the de facto currency in certain underground markets. There are such huge markets around trading bitcoins for other currencies.

Exactly.
You buy drugs and hitmen on the Tor network
 
You dont invest in bitcoins. You use them, and there is a huge market for them. They are the de facto currency in certain underground markets. There are such huge markets around trading bitcoins for other currencies.

Why not? With the price rising at this rate you'd be an idiot not to hoard them. And this is exactly why it's not a good currency at the moment.
 
You dont invest in bitcoins. You use them, and there is a huge market for them. They are the de facto currency in certain underground markets. There are such huge markets around trading bitcoins for other currencies.

Correct, but a lot of people do speculate in them (people buying Bitcoin low to sell high), causing the current bubble.
 
Government propaganda. Bitcoin fundamentals look a lot better than any fiat currency
out there, since it is not being inflated in the current fiat wars in a race to the bottom.
Well no. The value of a countries currency is based on the worth of that country (including all manufacturing output, stock markets, agriculture, mines, etc)..... these bitcoins do not have such backing behind them, so your statement is very wrong.
 
Correct, but a lot of people do speculate in them (people buying Bitcoin low to sell high), causing the current bubble.

Yah, the prices are crazy atm, its become really hard to buy a bitcoin.
 
Well no. The value of a countries currency is based on the worth of that country (including all manufacturing output, stock markets, agriculture, mines, etc)..... these bitcoins do not have such backing behind them, so your statement is very wrong.

Argentinians would beg to differ, they are desperately trying to get rid of their
pesos being inflated at 26% pa. Guess what they are buying? Bitcoins and precious
metals, with travel companies even accepting Bitcoins as primary payment.

I do not completely disagree with you, a fiat or 'certificate'-based currencies' worth
is tied to people's trust in it. It is all about trust, and the worth of a country
adds a lot of weight in that regard. Yet, all fiat currencies in history has failed, except
the ones currently holding.

A fiat removed from the gold standard, with governments running printing presses
to pay their debts and compete in currency wars, ensures the eventual collapse
of the fiat.

My meaning was phrased in a cursory fashion, I simply meant to say that Bitcoin's
primary fundamental is that it can only be inflated at a fixed rate, when all other
fiat is inflated at the will and whims of out-of-control governments.
 
Argentinians would beg to differ, they are desperately trying to get rid of their
pesos being inflated at 26% pa. Guess what they are buying? Bitcoins and precious
metals, with travel companies even accepting Bitcoins as primary payment.

Argentinians also think that the Falklands belongs to them. I dont use them as a benchmark of reliability.

The market decides on the price of a currency in most cases (I say most because countries like China intentionally deflate the value of their currency). Theyre welcome to buy bitcoins but dollars or EU would be a safer and more intelligent bet because despite what the "End of the world" naysayers say.... those countries (or group of countries) have pretty stable economies.

My meaning was phrased in a cursory fashion, I simply meant to say that Bitcoin's
primary fundamental is that it can only be inflated at a fixed rate, when all other
fiat is inflated at the will and whims of out-of-control governments.

Governments seldom decide on the value of a currency. China is one of the few exceptions. Markets do. So I dont know what your anti-government discourse has to do with any of this. If I buy dollars its not at the price the US government sets. Its at the price I am willing to pay for them and the seller (who is not a government) is willing to sell them to me at. I dont buy my dollars from the US embassy, I buy them from private banking institutions like Thomas Cook. Wall Street (Down Jones) has more to say about the value of the dollars I own than the government has.
 
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People, do your own research. It's all out there for all to see. No dealings behind closed doors. If you need info on Bitcoin, this is the last place you should look for it. Don't be influenced by the so-called experts because they quote lines from Economics For Dummies. Flags should go up whenever anyone is taking on a poster by calling him/her names or by any other forms of ranting, instead of arguing the facts in a straight-forward unambiguous manner. Times are changing and so are Economics.

If you decide to give it a try, get a bitcoin client and wallet address. Then, BEFORE DOING ANYTHING ELSE, LEARN HOW TO SECURE YOUR WALLET AND BACKUP YOUR PRIVATE KEYS. (Especially if you are using Windows or Mobile Device to store your wallet.)

The future is digital. What we call "technical" today may be required common knowledge in the future. In my opinion it is in everyone's interest getting just a little bit technical on this matter...not too much, but figure out the basics and you'll be one step ahead.

Is Bitcoin the one-and-only-be-all-currency of the future? Probably not, but it sure is a light in the tunnel. But don't take my word for it, go do the research yourself.

Some resources to start with:

How does it work (simple)
Bitcoin Wiki (Just about everything)
The Bitcoin Bubble and the Future of Currency
Forums, IRC Channels etc
 
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