Boeing looking into passenger planes without pilots

Cargo planes I have no problem with - but with a plane fully loaded with human passengers - it is a big nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope

Cargo aircraft remain a threat to others. Imagine an incorrectly coupled landing computer deciding to land on a runway that is closed and now used as a taxiway (airports like NZAA come to mind). You could see around 1800 people die all at once.

And if you could hack the flight computers (it's been done before)? Imagine 9/11 2.0 without any evidence of whodunnit.
 
There are but due to pilot error/hardware issues. What happens if it crashes due to the autopilot failing and there is no human pilot to take over.

There's has been several accidents due to software...and many many thousands of would-be accidents that didn't happen because there were pilots who detected the issues before the computers killed everyone on-board.
 
Who is gonna turn it off and switch it on again while in the air? FTS
 
Autopilot with Autoland.

Was on a new plane were the pilots tested this, they notified us beforehand. It was very smooth until the brakes were applied aggressively and everybody lurched forwards. I had had my one hand on the seat infront of me so i was ok :D
 
Why not? Shuttles more or less fly autopilot into space, they don't really need astronauts in there. The control technology is already there, it is just getting over human fears.
 
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There are but due to pilot error/hardware issues. What happens if it crashes due to the autopilot failing and there is no human pilot to take over.

I think his question was more about your sue everyone remark. As in, why isn't everyone being sued now kind of thing.
 
Cargo aircraft remain a threat to others. Imagine an incorrectly coupled landing computer deciding to land on a runway that is closed and now used as a taxiway (airports like NZAA come to mind). You could see around 1800 people die all at once.

And if you could hack the flight computers (it's been done before)? Imagine 9/11 2.0 without any evidence of whodunnit.

Yea everyone's worrying about passenger planes cragos can do much more damage... Imagine that thing crashing in a populated area :O
 
I don't have a prob with this. Virtually every major car maker is already actively developing tincan drivers, and that's a bigger challenge in many ways.

When the tech appears it will be gradually phased in on certain routes and destinations, much like ILS in the 70s.
 
that is right,
test it out on cargo planes then go into passenger when the tech has proven itself.

Balls to that. My shipment of whatever is far more important to me than some random bunch of strangers on an air Malaysia flight.
 
that is right,
test it out on cargo planes then go into passenger when the tech has proven itself.

I don't think you guys quite get it though - it's not so much about human fears as opposed to the ever persistent technical glitches aircraft experience on a daily basis along with the inability of computers to correctly manage an emergency situation.

The current Airbus figure, with 8 flight computers onboard is 40% - 40% of flights have computer issues. Now with pilots, this is no big deal because we merely compensate for this, and if it's severe enough, we log a fault afterwards and someone checks it. Usually tech faults just disappear after some time though. Operating these flying computers involves a lot of comments like "what the hell is she doing now?", occasionally followed by an autopilot disconnect. Issues such as the landing gear not retracting due to a glitch can be solved by pilots (they can hear the wind noise and experience the change in flight characteristics or the lack of) whereas a flight computer may well decide that the gear is up and therefore it's ok to increase the speed...and SNAP. A recent SAA flight from the US comes to mind when thinking of that exact scenario. It's on those flights that pilots save airlines their entire lifetime's salary and pension in 30 minutes (decisions that save either the hull or several tonnes of dumped fuel).
With AI flying planes, MELs would be much much more restrictive - resulting in a heck of a lot of flights (cargo or the not) being delayed. It'll take a single sensor failing for a flight to be grounded.

We're just simply not at the point in time where autonomous flying is safe. We first need to sort out existing flight systems before moving on to greener pastures. This is just basic logic.

Right now, it's illegal to rely solely on GPS systems. Once the Chinese have their GPS satellites up and running, this may change. This poses an issue though, as without this GPS network the flight computers will have to rely on alternative navigation system to supplement the info from the current GNSS. These "secondary" signals aren't all that reliable, and prone to errors - now you need to trust a computer to determine whether or not it the info may or may not be suitable for use? And conflicting issues? If there's a loss of RAIM? Can an autonomous airplane call ATC and ask them certain questions or request assistance? Can autonomous aircraft divert after a passenger gets a heart attack, or call the police from behind a bulletproof cockpit door when someone tries to hijack the plane? Again, if Qantas Flight 32 is anything to go by, if anything out of the ordinary happens to an autonomous aircraft, it's unable to manage the flight. Flight 32 was almost a disaster because of the computers, more than the actual failures they had. This isn't about "human fears" rooted in convention, this is about the serious lack of AI to make decisions in the exact same way (or better than) humans do.
 
Once they figure out how to make passenger planes without terries they can move on to these more ambitious goals ...
 
I'm pretty much 100% confident Boeing are considering all these and 1000 others no-one has mentioned or even thought of. They'd be stupid/negligent not to research this. It's the inevitable future at some point. We're not talking about pilotless planes by 2018. More like 2028, or later.
 
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I'm pretty much 100% confident Boeing are considering all these and 1000 others no-one has mentioned or even thought of. We're not talking about pilotless planes by 2018. More like 2028, or later.

Yes and no. Considering no manufacturer has ever brought out a flawless aircraft, I'm thinking this is another stunt of sorts. They could save the money and rather spend it on fixing and improving their current computer platform and once that's ready, integrate AI in it. However, Boeing is looking at getting into the existing autonomous market and developing AI for that is what I imagine they want to do. Also, increased AI in the existing systems for the 777x isn't out of the question either. The vision of autonomous airliners has been doing the rounds since the 70s and it was said "it'll soon a reality" after the first A340 did an autolanding here in SA in the 90s. We're still waiting. The recent introduction of the A350 pretty much guarantees this tech won't become prevalent until 2035 for Airbus, and 2040 for Boeing - creating aircraft with complete autonomy will affect their own bottom line if it goes mainstream before then.
 
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