Bufferbloat Tests

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Most are probably aware of Waveform's bufferbloat test at https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat

I was looking at a few others.

I quite like the one from cloudflare - https://speed.cloudflare.com/

And then LibreQoS also have a bufferbloat tester and so far it's my favourite. They seem to have some good things for ISPs as well https://github.com/LibreQoE/LibreQoS/

To test bufferbloat on LibreQoS - https://bufferbloat.libreqos.com/

Their results can be exported to PNG/JPG/PDF which is a handy feature.

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netstrider said:
Most are probably aware of Waveform's bufferbloat test at https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat

I was looking at a few others.

I quite like the one from cloudflare - https://speed.cloudflare.com/

And then LibreQoS also have a bufferbloat tester and so far it's my favourite. They seem to have some good things for ISPs as well https://github.com/LibreQoE/LibreQoS/

To test bufferbloat on LibreQoS - https://bufferbloat.libreqos.com/

Their results can be exported to PNG/JPG/PDF which is a handy feature.

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I have also been using this one lately - really good. I generally run this one + Waveform. Luckily Ive tuned my setup so i get an A+ or A all the time. I'm not a gamer though but at least no stutters during work calls
 
Mzezman said:
I have also been using this one lately - really good. I generally run this one + Waveform. Luckily Ive tuned my setup so i get an A+ or A all the time. I'm not a gamer though but at least no stutters during work calls
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Yes. I run OpenWRT on X86/64 hardware so lose a but of speed when enabling SQM, once in a while if I have a large download it's just a tick-box to disable it although it's only about 20Mbps of speed gain.
 
If you are going to do bufferbloat tests, just know that it will differ from device to device. NICs, drivers, and the configuration of the settings have an infuence. Out of the box, by default, adapters are configured for QoS scheduling. Nevermind the abundance of "eco" settings. Do optimise the properties (especially for offloading) of those devices that you need for optimal internet use. Some of the networks are complex. Make sure that every networking device isn't a bottleneck.

I have seen people struggle with bufferfloat, only to point out the issue. As far as CAKE and FQ-Codel go, use what is best for your use case, and router.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
If you are going to do bufferbloat tests, just know that it will differ from device to device. NICs, drivers, and the configuration of the settings have an infuence. Out of the box, by default, adapters are configured for QoS scheduling. Nevermind the abundance of "eco" settings. Do optimise the properties (especially for offloading) of those devices that you need for optimal internet use. Some of the networks are complex. Make sure that every networking device isn't a bottleneck.

I have seen people struggle with bufferfloat, only to point out the issue. As far as CAKE and FQ-Codel go, use what is best for your use case, and router.
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This is a home setup. One permanently on PC or if not on, can switch on remotely. A washing machine, a solar system, a TV, a handful of cellphones, and a MAC-Mini PC which is on or off depending on my father.

I can game fairly well mostly but my child will grow up and I've personally seen some impact on downloads etc. when I play FPS so that has been 100% mitigated. This is not a corporate or complex environment.

I'm merely interested in what people get on their scores at https://test.libreqos.com/vh/
 
netstrider said:
This is a home setup. One permanently on PC or if not on, can switch on remotely. A washing machine, a solar system, a TV, a handful of cellphones, and a MAC-Mini PC which is on or off depending on my father.

I can game fairly well mostly but my child will grow up and I've personally seen some impact on downloads etc. when I play FPS so that has been 100% mitigated. This is not a corporate or complex environment.

I'm merely interested in what people get on their scores at https://test.libreqos.com/vh/
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Tests done over wifi though - same machine same location

Standard test
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Household test
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netstrider said:
This is a home setup. One permanently on PC or if not on, can switch on remotely. A washing machine, a solar system, a TV, a handful of cellphones, and a MAC-Mini PC which is on or off depending on my father.

I can game fairly well mostly but my child will grow up and I've personally seen some impact on downloads etc. when I play FPS so that has been 100% mitigated. This is not a corporate or complex environment.

I'm merely interested in what people get on their scores at https://test.libreqos.com/vh/
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I named that because some people who enables smart QoS or CAKE/FQ_Codel don't always know where to troubleshoot should not get the results as expected. I have seen people who queue on RouterOS, only that the queues and rules are incompatible, and they think it works as advertised. That happens. Overall, taking the whole network under consideration, it depends on what is happening to the packets.

In my instance, due to reasons, I have a double NAT. I have two routers, and only one does QoS. Though I can set up CAKE, it will be pointless. I can have a clean test, but using the LibreQOS test as an example, CAKE won't know what gaming streaming, calls or backup is. Pending on how I have my QoS set, I can get similar results as to yours though it is not as stable as reliable (or stable) as CAKE or FQ_Codel.

I am planning on moving things around, though my situation is complex. I would rather much rather have a single NAT with smart routing behind the NAT.

Do you use CF Zero Trust and any other adblocking (PiHole/Adguard) or and Unbound/CloudFlared?
 
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