Buying a car rule #5: NEVER ...

[TheShadow]

That sounds like BS sales talk to me.


i think its true dude.
also u run the risk of insurance not paying cos u got inappropriate tyres on the car

 

[BCO]

yeah, after replacing 6 mags and countless tyres in the last two years, i can attest to this.
although my tires were no where near that figure...
i now have a greater tolerance for suv owners in sandton and fourways.

You don't need an SUV, just don't buy 40 profile and lower tyres.

 

[TheShadow]

That sounds like BS sales talk to me.


i think its true dude.
also u run the risk of insurance not paying cos u got inappropriate tyres on the car

 

[TKD01]

Are you serious? Why have you "quoted" the word 'safety'?

Blowouts at speed typically result in the motor car rolling, rolling a car can result in serious injury and in many cases is fatal... you believe there is a price you can put on something that pretty much ensures you car will never roll?

Look I'm not putting a price on safety - but a run-flat tyre does NOT guanrantee your car not roll (some very interesting disclaimers on bridgestone's website if you read it carefully).
Whats the ratio of blow-outs vs. accidents? How many blow-outs happen with decent quality tyres?

 

[killkom]

ever ever buy a car with Run Flat tyres!!!

Apart from being a MASSIVE rip-off, the cherry on top of this bitter cake: punctures can in normal sitations NOT be plugged... So a metal screw yesterday after work ended up costing me R10000! (needed to buy two of these madly expensive tyres since the other one had 50% thread left).

The "safety" aspect simply does not justify the costs involved - especially in SA (the same tyre thats R4700 here is 130 pounds (+- R1600) in UK)

FFS - selling the BM and gettting a car with normal tyres...

/vent

R10000 what size tyres do you have I have he 17" and its R10000 for all 4 not for 2 even the 18" arn't that expensive

Besides that

If the screw went in in the centre of the tread you can get it repaired no problem if it was on the sidewall you can't repair it and that goes for any tyre.

So maybe you should do a bit of homework and shop around for prices before some one takes you to the cleaners

 

[undesign]

"no safety risk being stuck next to the road, and less inconvenience"

Actually the main benefit for me.

 

[killkom]

Look I'm not putting a price on safety - but a run-flat tyre does NOT guanrantee your car not roll (some very interesting disclaimers on bridgestone's website if you read it carefully).
Whats the ratio of blow-outs vs. accidents? How many blow-outs happen with decent quality tyres?

One of the biggest accident causes for rear wheel drive cars is a rear blowout at speed
The rear tyres are at increased risk of blowing because when you go over a screw or something the front tyre will pick it up and the rear tyre will be stabbed if the object is big ehough it will cause a suden loss in preasure and you will loose control of the car if you are on a highway or its under acceleration or turning a corner no matter what stability control you have of computer gadgets to stop you from skidding.

This is where run flats will increase safty. I have seen a 5 series BMW on 5th Gear tv show they drilled all 4 RF tyres and ran it around a track at full blast lap time was only a 20 second difference than when the tyres were full.

 

[SlinkyMike]

People have been driving with normal tyres for ages!

People also drove cars without airbags and ABS for ages...wtf is your point exactly?

BS. So the car just rolls?

I've been in plenty of cars that had blowouts, even at high speeds, and never has a car rolled. Even once around a bend, all that happened is the ass shifted a tad.

Not what I said. I said that a blowout at speed typically results in the car rolling, perhaps qualifying that by saying a blowout in one of the front tires will likely cause the car to roll... but i am assuming that we are all drivers here who have some feel for the physics involved in driving a motor car at speed.

...a run-flat tyre does NOT guanrantee your car not roll (some very interesting disclaimers on bridgestone's website if you read it carefully).

I did not say that a run flat GUARANTEES the car will not roll... that would be preposterous, it's the same reason why Bridgestone has those disclaimers... in their case it's more likely a bunch of legalese than it is an attempt to remain rational. What I said is that run flats "pretty much ensure" which means: makes the probability of rolling the car very low... happy?

Honestly: I have sit here and argue semantics with you about a well researched safety feature of the modern automobile??? Maybe I should butt out and let natural selection run it's course...

 

[HavocXphere]

I wasn't aware it was run-flats...

Wait...you bought a BMW & didn't realize its got run-flats? Was it an impulse buy?

The "safety" aspect simply does not justify the costs involved - especially in SA (the same tyre thats R4700 here is 130 pounds (+- R1600) in UK)

The costs are not cool at all, but I wouldn't underestimate the safety benefits. Friends of mine parked their car in a barrier because of a high speed blow-out. Others would have done the same had there been a barrier. Both would have been prevented w/ runflats.

Besides, exactly in SA it is worth it IMO. Stopping in the middle of nowhere is not safe. Relatives had to stop at the side of a highway....someone else did too & shot them dead. Never found out why they stopped though or why they were shot.

Pity about the runflats ruining the ride though. I hear the new ones aren't that bad though, but I don't think they are in SA yet.

 

[UnUnOctium]

Are you serious? Why have you "quoted" the word 'safety'?

Blowouts at speed typically result in the motor car rolling, rolling a car can result in serious injury and in many cases is fatal... you believe there is a price you can put on something that pretty much ensures you car will never roll?

For a blow-out to happen you need to be driving at some insane speeds, well over the tyre's rating or you must be pretty much running on slicks (you deserve it then for not knowing how to check the most basic aspects of your car). There's a reason why tyres have steel belts in them. If you're in hollywood, blowouts happen when you go over a pebble (unless you're the good guy) but in the rest of the world, they rarely do. And when they do it's because of the former reasons. If blowouts happened when you have a puncture, all the people who slash tyres would be dead. Martyrs for anger?

 

[SlinkyMike]

Besides, exactly in SA it is worth it IMO. Stopping in the middle of nowhere is not safe. Relatives had to stop at the side of a highway....someone else did too & shot them dead. Never found out why they stopped though or why they were shot.

Excellent point. Thanks for adding.

For a blow-out to happen you need to be driving at some insane speeds, well over the tyre's rating or you must be pretty much running on slicks (you deserve it then for not knowing how to check the most basic aspects of your car). There's a reason why tyres have steel belts in them. If you're in hollywood, blowouts happen when you go over a pebble (unless you're the good guy) but in the rest of the world, they rarely do. And when they do it's because of the former reasons. If blowouts happened when you have a puncture, all the people who slash tyres would be dead. Martyrs for anger?

BS. Complete and utter twaddle. Blowouts are far more common than you obviously realise.

 

[UnUnOctium]

Excellent point. Thanks for adding.



BS. Complete and utter twaddle. Blowouts are far more common than you obviously realise.

That's why I've been driving for years and never seen one or heard of them happening to anyone I know? Then again, most of the people I know do look after their cars.

 

[killkom]

Well its like insurance you don't need it until you do one day you are driving down chapmins peak drive around a nice tight corner and you back tyre decides to blow on your way down to the sea you can contemplate should I have kept the run flats or not.

Or you are driving on the highway with your family and a blowout happens and you plow into a bridge.

There are 100 reasons why a blowout can happen no matter how well you maintain your car.

Do run flats reduce the chance of this happening and the answer is yes do you have to pay for this I am afraid yes will all tyres be runflat eventually I think yes

 

[D3x]

I even consider myself a very impulsive buyer BUT, even I do some research before jumping into car finance etc.

Do your homework. If you can't afford / justify the cost then stay away.

 

[SlinkyMike]

That's why I've been driving for years and never seen one or heard of them happening to anyone I know? Then again, most of the people I know do look after their cars.

WOWZERS!!!! Way to fraking blow us away with your sample size there dude.

Dunno why I am bothering with this... I should just nod and let Natural Selection remove thee and thine from the gene pool but:

Blowouts are serious business:
http://www.seriousaccidents.com/legal-advice/top-causes-of-car-accidents/tire-blowouts/

6.7% of fatal accidents are caused by blowouts:
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a714826222

 

[I am Penguin]

That's why I've been driving for years and never seen one or heard of them happening to anyone I know? Then again, most of the people I know do look after their cars.

You only drive to the shop and back?

Recently a loaded carrier truck had a blowout the instant he passed my car right next to my open window. I schit myself at first, thinking someone is shooting. Then saw the reason in my side mirror.

 

[TKD01]

R10000 what size tyres do you have I have he 17" and its R10000 for all 4 not for 2 even the 18" arn't that expensive

Besides that

If the screw went in in the centre of the tread you can get it repaired no problem if it was on the sidewall you can't repair it and that goes for any tyre.

So maybe you should do a bit of homework and shop around for prices before some one takes you to the cleaners

Yeah was a bit of an impulse buy - was looking at other makes when I stumbled across this and it was a good deal (well, apart from my tyre incident so far)

18's - 255/35
No the screw cut the steel belt - that and the fact that its run-flats negates the option of plugging the hole (according to the shop)

In terms of "homework" - you don't really have loads of options when its 5:15pm and you don't have a spare tyre... I did phone TWT this morning and they quoted me a bit more than what I paid (though other brand). If I had more time I would have shopped around - but unfortunately I was in a tight spot and don't have contacts who can "procure goods which fell off trucks" if you know what I mean

Honestly: I have sit here and argue semantics with you about a well researched safety feature of the modern automobile???

Each one to his own - and as far as I've read on the net I won't argue with the additional safety aspect. But even if you drive the latest 7series with every safety gizmo you can think of you're still susceptible to accidents and incidents on the road.

My personal opinion is that I find it very hard to justify the immense price over the added safety in (my) normal circumstances.

 

[SlinkyMike]

My personal opinion is that I find it very hard to justify the immense price over the added safety in (my) normal circumstances.

I'm not saying RFs are cheap, nor am I saying that they remove all danger from driving a motor car... a tire bl;owing out at speed is not 'normal circumstances' that does not mean it does not and will not happen.

I'm out... nothing more to say on the topic.

 

[killkom]

Yeah was a bit of an impulse buy - was looking at other makes when I stumbled across this and it was a good deal (well, apart from my tyre incident so far)

18's - 255/35
No the screw cut the steel belt - that and the fact that its run-flats negates the option of plugging the hole (according to the shop)

In terms of "homework" - you don't really have loads of options when its 5:15pm and you don't have a spare tyre... I did phone TWT this morning and they quoted me a bit more than what I paid (though other brand). If I had more time I would have shopped around - but unfortunately I was in a tight spot and don't have contacts who can "procure goods which fell off trucks" if you know what I mean




Each one to his own - and as far as I've read on the net I won't argue with the additional safety aspect. But even if you drive the latest 7series with every safety gizmo you can think of you're still susceptible to accidents and incidents on the road.

My personal opinion is that I find it very hard to justify the immense price over the added safety in (my) normal circumstances.

I assume you have a BMW I have a relatioship with the tyre place. I Drive a e90 3 series and with all the wheel alignment issues that car gives me I am always there getting it checked I replaced both my front tyres 225/45/17 for R5200.00 the rear are a bit more expensive at R6200 for both I priced the 18" last time and they are about 6k for the front and 7.5k for the rear not a huge jump in price.

I get very good prices on bridgstone from autoquip keep them in mind next time this happens they usually the cheapest

I have spoken to them about repairing punchers and they say they do it all the time but there are certain criteria the puncher has to meet befort they repair it going through the steelbelt which all punchers do was not one of them but if the dealer wants to make money he will try convince you to buy tyres

 

[RazedInBlack]

Safety/lives have a price. Each one of us have a different price-barrier before we compromise. I easily justify the price for the safety aspect.

Having said that, prices will probably come down over time, it is ridiculous atm.

Siris, my point is not everybody can afford run-flat tyres! Someone might have a tyre burst and veer into you with your run-flats. Are they gonna help you in that situation?

Alternatively, pay a R100 to have your normal tyres inflated with nitrogen. Runs cooler and no blowouts.