Cairo unrest

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/16/w...can-protests-subside-in-middle-east.html?_r=0

Just goes to show, all these countries do is change one dictator for another.
No such thing as democracy in the Arab world.


Across the region, the anti-American protests that convulsed cities in many parts of the Islamic world last week subsided at least temporarily, a fragile calm taking hold a day after violent and sometimes deadly demonstrations at American and Western installations spread to more than 20 countries.

In Cairo, where the protests against a crude video denigrating Islam began on Tuesday, security forces expanded the fortifications around the American Embassy. On Friday, despite a new concrete barrier, hundreds of young men battled security officers near the embassy, hurling rocks and homemade bombs as the police fired tear gas.

But by midday Saturday, security forces had cleared the streets around the embassy. Only a faint scent of tear gas remained.

Hisham Qandil, Egypt’s prime minister, said Saturday that he had visited the American Embassy to express his support and told the BBC’s Arabic news channel that it was regrettable and wrong that so many blamed the American government for a video to which it had no connection.

But he also called for the West to “strike a balance between freedom of expression and to maintain respect for other people’s beliefs.” He said the violence was caused by “a small group of people doing irresponsible work, and everybody is paying the price for these people’s work, and we have to do all it takes to stop this from happening again.”

Even as the violence abated, Al Qaeda’s branch in Yemen urged its followers to “expel the embassies of America from the lands of the Muslims” and praised the killing of the American ambassador to Libya. The violence raised questions about political instability in Egypt, Tunisia and other Middle Eastern countries where newfound freedoms have given way to an absence of authority. In Egypt, leaders sought to repair ties with Washington that have been strained by their initial response to attacks on the embassy, tacitly acknowledging that they erred in not vehemently condemning the violence.

The toll of the demonstrations became clearer on Saturday, with Egyptian state news media reporting that at least one person had died in the clashes. More than 224 people have been injured in four days of street battles, according to state news media, and by Friday at least 99 security officers had been hurt.

Across the region, there were reports of about a dozen deaths during the six days of protests, some in confrontations with security forces, others in riots.

In Benghazi, Libya, where four Americans were killed Tuesday, including Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, the authorities appeared to be rounding up many men who were at the diplomatic compound during that attack.

On Saturday, President Obama condemned the violence but also reached out to Muslims.

“We stand for religious freedom,” he said in his weekly radio address. “And we reject the denigration of any religion — including Islam. Yet there is never any justification for violence.”

Political and religious leaders in the Arab world also called for calm. In Saudi Arabia, where no protests were reported, the grand mufti, the highest religious authority in Islam’s birthplace, denounced the attacks and said “it is forbidden to punish the innocent for the wicked crimes of the guilty,” state news media reported.

In Tunis, where the American Embassy was attacked Friday by protesters who smashed windows and set fires, the moderate Islamist governing party condemned the violence, which left at least 3 dead and 28 injured, for threatening Tunisia’s progress toward democracy.

Two protesters died in Sudan, two died in Tunisia and one was killed in Lebanon. On Thursday, four people were killed as protests turned violent at the American Embassy in Sana, Yemen.

Some of the worst violence on Friday was in Khartoum, Sudan, where about 5,000 people rallied, news reports said, before marching to the American Embassy.

Sudanese police on Saturday said that two protesters had died in a traffic accident that resulted from the chaos on Friday, The Associated Press reported.

Sudan rebuffed a request by the United States to deploy Marines around the embassy, but talks continued and Washington reminded Sudan of its obligations to provide diplomatic security. Marines have already been sent to Libya and Yemen, although the Yemeni Parliament demanded on Saturday that the Marines leave the country, according to SABA, the state news service. “We do not accept any foreign forces in Yemen, be it small or big forces, and for any reason,” the Parliament statement said.

The State Department said it was evacuating all family members and nonemergency staff members from the embassies in Tunis and Khartoum, citing the security situation. It also warned American citizens about travel in both capitals.

David D. Kirkpatrick reported from Cairo, and Marc Santora from New York. Reporting was contributed by Moises Saman from Cairo, Monica Marks from Tunis, Steven Lee Myers from Washington and Nasser Arrabyee from Sana, Yemen.
 
It's americas fault.
I don't know who is who here in CA so I'm not sure if this is sarcasm. I certainly hope this is a joke.

Can't remember where I heard this but it seems like a good comparison to me: If a dad is a violent drunk and one night beats up his little boy you don't blame the boy for setting him off you blame the dad.

You don't blame the fools that made the videos and you don't place the blame for the numerous horrible things a government does on its people at large. There is no justification for that. Sure the US government has done some stupid stuff but for fscks sake a huge amount of fault definitely lies with the savage mongrels that feel it is acceptable to murder innocent people when they throw temper tantrums in the streets. We are supposed to learn that this sort of behaviour is unacceptable when we are children. Civilised adults don't murder innocent people because they are angry about the actions of others. Period.

I don't necessarily like the Us government but it is not the US government's fault that a bunch of innocent people were murdered by a bunch of ignorant savage yahoos.
 
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Yip, old Killa would blame them no doubt.
The world would have been a better place under the old guard.

The WORLD would be a better place if matters of the Middle East: Egypt, ISRAEL, Iran, etc were not shoved down our throats.
Maybe these countries should solve their disputes without involving the rest of the world? Would that be mature?

It's not like we demand of Egypt and Israel, God forbid, to care about what happens in the Philippines or in South Africa.

The ME seems to take non proportionate amount of time and resources. Who cares?

Maybe the best would be for the players there to sit down and compromise. The world, especially the West, should stop supporting them until that happens. Of course that won't happen with special interest groups, talk of racism, Islamophobia and guilt over the Holocaust.
 
The WORLD would be a better place if matters of the Middle East: Egypt, ISRAEL, Iran, etc were not shoved down our throats.
Maybe these countries should solve their disputes without involving the rest of the world? Would that be mature?

It's not like we demand of Egypt and Israel, God forbid, to care about what happens in the Philippines or in South Africa.

The ME seems to take non proportionate amount of time and resources. Who cares?

Maybe the best would be for the players there to sit down and compromise. The world, especially the West, should stop supporting them until that happens. Of course that won't happen with special interest groups, talk of racism, Islamophobia and guilt over the Holocaust.
Once again:

slamophobia denotes prejudice against, or hatred or irrational fear of, Muslims

Nothing irrational about fear of Islam
 
So, the new Egyptian President has given himself sweeping new powers including a law that prohibits his prosecution for any past, present or future misdeed. I guess we can expect howls of outrage from our noble and good South African government any time now... Oh, I forgot, they're way too busy condemning Israel for the impertinence of defending itself for terror attacks.
 
Please explain the irony, I must have missed it
Islam has shown (the followers ) that you either submit or die. Look at majority of Islamic countries, now I do not want to live like that so how is it irrational?
Fear the implementation of it in those countries then and those that vehemently support it to the point that they are prepared to kill to uphold it. That isn't irrational. Don't fear all Muslims including the colleagues at work and such that have families and just want to get through life in a live and let live sort of way. That is simply irrational.

I've known plenty of decent Muslim people in my life. Didn't irrationally fear the decent folks.

marine1 do you seriously get scared or concerned whenever you learn someone near you is a Muslim? Are you truly that bigoted?
 
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porchrat, relax. I'm just pre-empting killadoob.

hehe.
the place isn't quite the same since killa got a banning order & now has to live in exile.

not sure if support these bannings - maybe a 7 day suspension ?

anyway, back to topic ... ...
 
Once again:

slamophobia denotes prejudice against, or hatred or irrational fear of, Muslims

Nothing irrational about fear of Islam

I think need to clear up a misconception.
Many (particularly muslims) like to use the term islamaphobia to when someone is critical of islam - almost as if islam is big & omnipotent demanding fear & respect - it isn't !!!
However, a phobia is an IRRATIONAL fear of something, be it a fear of turning right or of a picture of a buffalo.

There is a big difference between contempt & fear.
Many, including myself, view most, if not all religions (especially islam) with a certain amount of contempt - not fear.
 
I think need to clear up a misconception.
Many (particularly muslims) like to use the term islamaphobia to when someone is critical of islam - almost as if islam is big & omnipotent demanding fear & respect - it isn't !!!
However, a phobia is an IRRATIONAL fear of something, be it a fear of turning right or of a picture of a buffalo.

There is a big difference between contempt & fear.
Many, including myself, view most, if not all religions (especially islam) with a certain amount of contempt - not fear.
What people will do in the name of Islam.....I FEAR
 
I am always somewhat bemused by the demands that the infidels & the "west" must get out of the "holy" lands.
Perhaps that should be applied both ways & these same groups demand their fellow muslims return to the "holy" land from the land of the infidel that offers them freedom & choice.

I guess something like a variation of the infamous "winslow" plan.
 
Once again:

slamophobia denotes prejudice against, or hatred or irrational fear of, Muslims

Nothing irrational about fear of Islam

You don't get it. I don't care about Islam. It doesn't affect me. I don't want to pay to police the Middle East. Maybe you have a vested interest there, I don't and most people don't. I don't see anyone from Egypt or Israel caring about what happens elsewhere in the world. I don't care about the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. It's a conflict between two stubborn groups who try to leverage others into helping them. Most of the world does not need that. We have our own problems. The situation in SA for example, is more dire than the one in Israel or Egypt.
 
I think need to clear up a misconception.
Many (particularly muslims) like to use the term islamaphobia to when someone is critical of islam - almost as if islam is big & omnipotent demanding fear & respect - it isn't !!!
However, a phobia is an IRRATIONAL fear of something, be it a fear of turning right or of a picture of a buffalo.

There is a big difference between contempt & fear.
Many, including myself, view most, if not all religions (especially islam) with a certain amount of contempt - not fear.

Islam is a problem if it starts to dictate to me. It has not done that. It may be an issue for Israel but MY INTEREST and SOUTH AFRICAN interest are not ISRAEL's interests. This is an important point. Most of us, should not care either way. Yes one should always support peace the world over, but that's it. Getting into political disputes in the ME is not what 99% of the population of the world needs.
 
I am always somewhat bemused by the demands that the infidels & the "west" must get out of the "holy" lands.
Perhaps that should be applied both ways & these same groups demand their fellow muslims return to the "holy" land from the land of the infidel that offers them freedom & choice.

I guess something like a variation of the infamous "winslow" plan.

Then who will buy the oil to pay for the bombs and martyrs?

The ME would be a quiet place were it not for petrodollars. The West created this problem. Hopefully when this oil finally dries up, we'll see an end to this nonsense.
 
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