Call for E-Toll courts alarming: DA

jes said:
E-toll court considered, DA alarmed

Sanral and the Justice Department are discussing the possibility of establishing special courts where e-toll non-payers could be prosecuted
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The message is clear:

"You do not f**k with a corrupt government and their friends, nor with one that invested its whole pension fund into this project"

Yes, this whole thing is alarming. In order to prevent yourself from ending up in court, getting a fine, imprisonment sentence and a criminal record (which will be enforced) you have only one of two options:

1. Buy the e-Tag or ensure that you pay outstanding fees each and every week when travelling the roads.
2. Stay off the roads in total, even if you need to travel 30KM more and take 2 hours longer to get to your destination.
 
Or you can go to court challenge the ****ers, go on review persist

as I have said before the administrative law challenges were brought too late (I am pretty sure I said as much on this forum that there is a potential flaw in OUTAs administrative law case several months ago) but the poor ****ers who think e-tolling will survive haven't seen what a collateral challenge and general defiance campaign will do. The appellate courts ruling really does set things up for a prosecution orientated show down.

the British thought they could impose a tea tax on Boston - it didn't work

the Nats introduced special penalty clauses for protest action - it didn't work
 
Paul Hjul said:
Or you can go to court challenge the ****ers, go on review persist

as I have said before the administrative law challenges were brought too late (I am pretty sure I said as much on this forum that there is a potential flaw in OUTAs administrative law case several months ago) but the poor ****ers who think e-tolling will survive haven't seen what a collateral challenge and general defiance campaign will do. The appellate courts ruling really does set things up for a prosecution orientated show down.

the British thought they could impose a tea tax on Boston - it didn't work

the Nats introduced special penalty clauses for protest action - it didn't work
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Unfortunately so that there is no person here on MyBB that will ever be in a position to financially challenge anything related to prosecution in terms of the e-Toll system. This will be millions of Rands to challenge. It will eventually proof cheaper to admit guilt, pay a fine, serve your time and accept the criminal record. In fact, more than 99% of Gauteng residents will not be in a financial position to do this.
 
you really don't understand how automatic review works?
or how little resources can be used effectively

1 million people being prosecuted without representation will destroy the magistrates court system it is that simple
100 thousand people being prosecuted without representation will cripple the resources of the DoJ in Gauteng


In fact if I was the NDPP or the DPP SG or NG my office would have issued a memo indicating the need for dedicated courts such as to include the appointment of additional or assistant magistrates and more prosecutors if a collateral challenge is not successful and cautioning that the NPA cannot prosecute on etolling matters as a principal offence and will only proceed if joined to another offence thereby requiring that SANRAL use s8 of the CPA (and proposing strict requirements including, an advanced law degree in traffic law enforcement, for who may prosecute on their behalf lest my office is administratively challenged).

Dedicated courts are an absolute necessity here - contrary to the general line dedicated etolling courts will be better for dealing with a general crime problem because it prevents the other criminal courts from contamination - but the fact that there is an expectation for so many offences to be prosecuted proves that etolling cannot survive muster
 
ANC's answer to the crime problem: invent more crimes.
 
Corruption costs us 30 billion rand a year, now where the **** are the corruption courts?
 
And how much will these new etrolling courts cost all of us tax payers?

There is no end to SANRAL's wasted expenditure of tax payers money, the worst part is that these new courts are intended to prosecute the very tax payers that will be footing the bill for these new etrolling courts and paying for the salaries of the legal prostitutes that work there.
 
Its fine people - we've had these kind of courts before. Nothing to be alarmed about. It'll be just like this:

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A witch hunt?

We can all take our broomsticks to the etrolling courts and say we never drove under the gantries, in fact we flew above and over them.
 
I wonder how much **** could be caused by putting a boot full of e-tags registered for different vehicles could cause
 
Actually, if there is a need to beef up the whole justice system, it just shows the total madness and unsustainability of this massively mad economy destroying entity called etolling. The administrative cost for SANRAl are already estimated to cost R1-1.5 Billion a year, now the tax payer has to fork out probably 100s of millions, if not a billion a year to actually enforce payment. Absolute lunacy.
Compare this to the collection of funds for the public broadcaster SABC through TV licenses. Around R 900 million is collected yearly, still a very considerable amount, but only about 30% of households with a TV have a license. Deduct from those R900 million the cost of running the TV license office, the cost of collection by using lawyers, and the cost to the private sector in administrative burden to enforce possession of TV licenses at retail level. Then probably only an estimated R 500 or 600 Million is left. So we better scrap the whole TV license system.
Just like we should never, ever implement E tolling.
The suggestions of this in house legal vulture JH should just be ignored. Lawyers have endless tricks, read fallacies and technicalities to suck ever bigger amounts from ignorant, unsuspecting non legal persons and state coffers.
Eg the "human rights" lawyer, Adv Dali Mpofu, made a total mess as CEO of the SABC, which needed a bail out of 1.5 Billion. Many financial irregularities took place. He was dismissed and got a severance package of 1 or 2 Million, but with help of his colleagues still managed to get another R 8 million settlement in a court case. Now he and his legal team sucked already a million or 2 from AMCU in the legal assistance of the miners in the Farlam commission of inquiry into the Marikana massacre. Now in several court cases it is decided that the state (taxpayers) has to fund the private legal team of the miners. The Farlam commission has become a feeding frenzy for the legal profession.
The disciplinary case against WC Judge President John Hlophe has cost the taxpayers already R 8 million in legal costs for his defense team only. Now his defense team has accrued another legal bill for the state of R 770,000, by employing the senior British barrister Courtney Griffith, @ R 25,000/day. He recently represented war criminal Charles Taylor in the Hague.
Sorry to digress so terribly and ramble on.
So as our politicians appear to be able to push through the highly unpopular and totally illogical E tolling, the only reason remaining the lucrative kickbacks from the E tolling contractors, one might assume, the legal vultures also demand to take part in the frenzy.
 
cfilorux said:
Can my company also have a special court to back up our debt collections?
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In fact you can. You just need to apply with the department of justice and see if they will approve.

I know with the launch of commercial crimes court some years ago, vehicle financing institutions also applied to have all their cases heard in these courts due to the heavier sentences. This request was approved and all vehicle finance fraud cases are still tried in these courts instead of your normal regional courts.
 
Paul Hjul said:
I wonder how much **** could be caused by putting a boot full of e-tags registered for different vehicles could cause
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Not much, since the tags have to be visible and facing the right way up to be picked up.
 
TJ99 said:
Not much, since the tags have to be visible and facing the right way up to be picked up.
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People are reporting them beeping from the cubbyhole, so not so sure about that.
 
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