Camera advice

bwana said:
Why does your criteria for good glass seems to inevitably include IS?
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I mentioned 8 lenses in my post. 4 with IS, and 4 without. I'm not bias towards IS. The lenses that I talked about just happen to include IS. It does not worry me, because it can be switched off. Secondly, I recommended the 70-200 f4 for the 5D/mkII. That lens does not have IS. The 18-200 lenses, from both Canon and Nikon, just happen to include IS. Once again, it can be turned off.


bwana said:
My 70-200 F4 makes a great portrait lens but...
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It is a great portrait lens, but my model-shooting friend uses the f2.8is version. (to heavy btw) He can throw out the background completely. I think that's what you are talking about, yes?


bwana said:
...even that doesnt have the same range of DOF that my cheap 50mm does.
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The 50mm is a good portrait lens on a 1.6x cam (80mm equivalent), but the 70-200 is more versatile. I don't really know what you are talking about with the DOF. The 70-200 at 200mm can have extremely shallow DOF. Lots of fashion photographers use this lens.


bwana said:
Besides - I'm not shooting film, a 5DMkII or a 50D and neither is Veroland and given what we have atm I'm still going to recommend better glass because it doesnt have an expiration date so what you might not need today you might have a use for tomorrow.
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This is a public forum, and I was not only talking to you and Veroland. I'm just posting my thoughts about it, in reference to your post.


bwana said:
BTW - who would shoot indoor sports with a Canon 5DMkII
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Nobody. They would use a Nikon D3. You're right, I should have said 70-200 f2.8 VR. My bad. :)
 
ldmelsa said:
I mentioned 8 lenses in my post. 4 with IS, and 4 without. I'm not bias towards IS. The lenses that I talked about just happen to include IS. It does not worry me, because it can be switched off. Secondly, I recommended the 70-200 f4 for the 5D/mkII. That lens does not have IS. The 18-200 lenses, from both Canon and Nikon, just happen to include IS. Once again, it can be turned off.
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and as you said IS is one of your reasons for wanting better lenses. Well for me it isnt. Given the choice of a slower lens with IS or a faster one without you can probably guess which I'll choose.
ldmelsa said:
It is a great portrait lens, but my model-shooting friend uses the f2.8is version. (to heavy btw) He can throw out the background completely. I think that's what you are talking about, yes?
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Yes, I was referring to shallow focus.
ldmelsa said:
The 50mm is a good portrait lens on a 1.6x cam (80mm equivalent), but the 70-200 is more versatile. I don't really know what you are talking about with the DOF. The 70-200 at 200mm can have extremely shallow DOF. Lots of fashion photographers use this lens.
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Yes, I was referring to shallow focus again. Sometime I just dont have the room available to use my f/4 70-200 . . . and I didnt have the budget for the f/2.8 70-200 anyway which is why I often resort to getting in closer with the shorter 50. Now I might not shoot fashion - and probably never will - but my results are paying the bills so far :D
 
bwana said:
I didnt have the budget for the f/2.8 70-200 anyway
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blessing in disguise

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Veroland said:
Twin girls, and willing to trade them for then new 5D Mach II! :D
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It's "Mark" as in "5D Mark II"

ldmelsa said:
16-35 f2.8 II and the 17-40 f4.
Remember that both the 17-40 and 16-35 II are optically superb.
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Both are said to out-resolve the 24mm f/1.4L at 24mm :eek:

bwana said:
Why does your criteria for good glass seems to inevitably include IS?
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While I'm with you on choosing a faster lens rather than IS, all else being the same, I wouldn't dismiss it. IS gives you *more* than one stop shutter speed to work with. In situations where a tripod is not available/feasible, IS can be a lifesaver.

bwana said:
My 70-200 F4 makes a great portrait lens but even that doesnt have the same range of DOF that my cheap 50mm does.
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How much DOF do you need/want for portraits? A 5D at 70mm and f/4 will give you 4.56cm at 1m focus, 2.89cm on a crop body. I can push my 24-105 to give me less than that and still fit a face in the frame.
 
koffiejunkie said:
I'm confused by the one on the right - Nikon body with a white lens? :confused:
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Yeah - its got me puzzled too. There was another guy who looked like he was shooting canon though.

koffiejunkie said:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bwanarsa/2913056044/ - nice! So it is, after all, possible to take good high-speed sport shots withough a 1DmkII or D3 :)
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Well I didnt exactly disprove Sturgeon's Law but it was fun - for one of the heats I was in the pits by the straightaway and wow those guys were shifting. :eek: I would have like to have used my longer Sigma but the Canon 70-200 is much faster when it comes to focusing.
 
bwana said:
I would have like to have used my longer Sigma but the Canon 70-200 is much faster when it comes to focusing.
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Yeah, ring-type USM is awesome. In low-light situations where I'm trying to snap something that's moving quickly, the 24-105 f/4L beats any of my primes hands down. Heck, even the Sigma 10-20 does (also ring type focus motor). The primes just don't focus as quickly and are no where near as good at focus tracking - the ring-type USM is much smoother and much more accurate.
 
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