Xenophobia is rife in SA. A non-PC liberalism that basically says “integrate, or get the hell out!” must receive a sympathetic ear in many quarters.
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Xenophobia is rife in SA. A non-PC liberalism that basically says “integrate, or get the hell out!” must receive a sympathetic ear in many quarters.
Eh. North Indians don't want their daughters marrying South Indians. Jews don't want their daughters marrying Arabs. Christians don't want their daughters marrying atheists. Whites don't want their daughters marrying blacks. People with money don't want their daughters marrying guys on benefits. It's pretty tough being a daughter.
People are jerks, dude. Why single out Muslims?
Because other cultures in the UK have integrated far more successfully. Also, Christians dont want their daughters marrying Atheists, but they wont kill them if they do. Muslims still do, even in the UK.
Besides, marriage is just an example of how they do not want to integrate.
Im saying most germans live pretty peacefully with most cultures and only an incredibly tiny minority would have problems. Now compare this to Germans just 60 years ago. Change takes time, just loads of people are too short sighted to see it :/
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wiz got as far as "David Cameron" then the CONSERVATIVES ARE EBIL flag triggered in his brain and he posted this thread.
Do you see white people driving into townships late at night to go jolling with their black friends? No? That's because multiculturalism has failed in SA. QED, bitch.
Because Muslims are the only "culture" where a woman's family will kill her for "honour" if she doesn't marry the man they want her to.
Naah, Im just looking at a bigger picture your brain is not wired to understand.
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They haven't, really. Think of the race riots in the 1980s, the general rejection of 'Pakis' and 'Currymunchers', the brand new fear of immigrant Polish workers...
European multiculturalism ideas were intended to allow and encourage people of different cultures to be semi-autonomous in their new country. This allowed groups to cut themselves off from the rest of society, which obviously just fuelled fear and mutual distrust. As evidenced by your constant harping on the "Muslim-gevaar". ;-)
Integration didn't fail because Muslims didn't want to integrate. It failed because integration was discouraged.
and now they're being encouraged to integrate.
The problem has 3 side. Certain immigrants who want to cling to the extreme element of their culture, prejudice of locals in the host country who don't want immigrants there in the first place and race obsessed PC plods morons who try and stifle any form of open debate because they perceive it as possibly "offensive".
The problem has 3 side. Certain immigrants who want to cling to the extreme element of their culture, prejudice of locals in the host country who don't want immigrants there in the first place and race obsessed PC plods morons who try and stifle any form of open debate because they perceive it as possibly "offensive".
I don't follow, what does white people driving into townships late at night have to do with multiculturalism? If you were trying to show that integration has failed you might have a point but how is this a fail for multiculturalism? And QED yourself, bitch
I don't see them driving into dangerous areas no - but I do see them jolling together at clubs n pubs... and being neighbours having a braai... multiculturalism has not failed in SA - it simply takes time - some people are simply making it difficult... And comments like yours is a prime example of that
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Muslims are the problem. Terrorists are being recruited from and within their communities. When the majority of Muslims are marching on the streets against extremism and policing themselves they will have become part of the solution.
Jews, blacks, Indians have all managed to be British before they are a member of a religion or race. Why can't Muslims?
If you want to live in someone else's house live by their rules.
Jews, blacks, Indians have all managed to be British before they are a member of a religion or race. Why can't Muslims?
If you want to live in someone else's house live by their rules.
Wow, thats a bit of a fail statement. Considering all the criminal activities that happens even my black friends are too scared to go out at night in the township. They definately dont want me to drive around there that time either.
Integration would be soo much easier if the environment for it was right, but alas. But bear in mind, people would only be friends if they share some commenality, and also the same values. I wont be friends with someone that think its ok for some old guy to kidnap their daughter, rape her and a accept a couple of cows for the transaction. People can have their individual beliefs, but harming or killing another person for them is a no no. What I dont understand that if I was in some arab country as a westerner I still have to comply with their rules, but they cannot do the same in any of the Western countries they live in. Why is that? I mean, it should work both ways. If I have to comply with your rules, surely its only fair that you comply with my rules. If you dont, well then you can go back to where you came from?
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Multiculturalism works where there can be compromise. There's enough middle ground in SA we hope.
Okay, so I would just love to know what that has to do with multiculturalism?
I do see white people in areas which we'd call "black areas" and I see black people having braais at white people's houses. When I go for any kind of family or function of a friends there are always a lot of different people from different cultures there.
I just don't get your idiotic statement, if it has failed for you then that my friend is entirely your own problem. I've embraced it and I love being friends with people from all walks of life, you have no idea how much you can learn from others if you were to stop being an ignorant buffoon.
Just get to the logic of the matter, what we need is to bind ourselves under our own philosophy, a strong one and one embedded and seeking of truth as much as possible, then keep this as our shild and put our vouge stick to the ground where we stand. The koran coould well already be categorized as a book containing hate speech and warmongering, it should not simply be banned, it should have been banned long ago. Same with all the other aspects of society too. Culture IS NO EXUCSE to avert ethics.
Exactly, one part I'd really agree with here, is that we should treat these people as if they were WHITE (because race seems to be the emperors clothes argument they use to get anything done, and amazingly people, the shallow minded public falls for it). We've also got to note that the main reason why western leaders can't address the heart of the problem and why it is stuck as being seen as racist to do so, is because they will lose trade with a fast growing population of 1.6 billion people if they do so.
I say, as government, you don't even need to mention or take note of Islam, BOTH culture and race should be irrelevant to government anyway, we need to get to the point to our values(which were brought upon by democracy and deduction of reason), and put our foot down wherever people, totally irrelevant of race or culture, transgress the law, the thing that holds the land together. I would not allow people to readily and constantly rip the ground from underneath my feet, I will build my house on the rocks, and this is what we need to do now.
"Frankly, we need a lot less of the passive tolerance of recent years and much more active, muscular liberalism." - Camroon
Exactly, one part I'd really agree with here, is that we should treat these people as if they were WHITE (because race seems to be the emperors clothes argument they use to get anything done, and amazingly people, the shallow minded public falls for it). We've also got to note that the main reason why western leaders can't address the heart of the problem and why it is stuck as being seen as racist to do so, is because they will lose trade with a fast growing population of 1.6 billion people if they do so.
I say, as government, you don't even need to mention or take note of Islam, BOTH culture and race should be irrelevant to government anyway, we need to get to the point to our values(which were brought upon by democracy and deduction of reason), and put our foot down wherever people, totally irrelevant of race or culture, transgress the law, the thing that holds the land together. I would not allow people to readily and constantly rip the ground from underneath my feet, I will build my house on the rocks, and this is what we need to do now.
"Frankly, we need a lot less of the passive tolerance of recent years and much more active, muscular liberalism." - Camroon
The Germans did research on this several years ago. It was found that the immigrant was required to be immersed by a ‘critical mass’ of natives in order to adopt similar values.
For example: Private enterprise looked into the viability of immigrants as workers (Turks, I think). They found that if the immigrant was surrounded by competence during training it became the norm and the immigrant fitted into German working culture. If, however, the immigrant was surrounded by incompetence and laziness, that became the norm. Whatever values held sway (usually numbers determine this) became the norm.
It was a bit more complex than that. The Asian communities in Britain are quite Victorian in their attitude, so they encourage young Asian men to 'practise' on English girls. This appeared to progress to grooming 16 yr-olds, which is what the MP was claiming. None of this is guess-work and I've heard many similar stories first hand.
Certainly a mixed marriage between an Asian girl and a white UK guy would have some nasty consequences in many families. Usually the family cuts her out completely or the brother takes some sort of action. I've also seen this first hand.