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ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
Ahhh the Daily Mail..
Bastion of journalism that.
Bastion of journalism that.
Rocket Raccoon
Executive Member
You work for SPECTRE?
Of course it can. It nearly happened to me last year!
I developed a recognized condition but also severe debilitating symptoms that doctors could not clinically identify the cause of. Primarily because they refused to extensively test and the few tests they did do were half arsed efforts. My condition continued to deteriorate to the point I was basically bed ridden and the specialist sent me to a shrink who declared and this is a direct quote "the governor in your brain is misinterpreting signals from your body" and offered an anti psychotic as an experiment for treatment. He also recommended nobody support me as by that stage I could walk no more than few meters or according to them I just thought I couldn't. According to the Doc and the shrink I had "less strength and energy than a cancer patient in their last days" and couldn't possibly be that sick based on their clinical findings which amounted to just a few tests.
I told the shrink to get stuffed and about a month later my specialist had spoken to the shrink and they re-evaluated their position and they no longer believed it was psychological. By then more symptoms were appearing that could not be brushed off as psychological as they were showing up on clinical tests. Tests I'll point out they had not recommended but that I had had done through another doctor.
I've come across many people in this country who have been in a similar position. Victims of the sheer arrogance, hubris and the total lack of accountability in the medical profession. If they can't find anything "clinically" wrong with you, ignoring the fact they make no genuine concerted effort in the first place, they brush it off as in your head. Regardless of the physical symptoms you're experiencing. As a patient psychologically breaks down under the stress not only of their condition but dealing with these 'professionals' the doctors then take advantage and use that psychological break down against the patient to push their 'it's in the head' diagnoses.
It really is that cold, cynical and wicked. I witnessed it first hand.
I developed a recognized condition but also severe debilitating symptoms that doctors could not clinically identify the cause of. Primarily because they refused to extensively test and the few tests they did do were half arsed efforts. My condition continued to deteriorate to the point I was basically bed ridden and the specialist sent me to a shrink who declared and this is a direct quote "the governor in your brain is misinterpreting signals from your body" and offered an anti psychotic as an experiment for treatment. He also recommended nobody support me as by that stage I could walk no more than few meters or according to them I just thought I couldn't. According to the Doc and the shrink I had "less strength and energy than a cancer patient in their last days" and couldn't possibly be that sick based on their clinical findings which amounted to just a few tests.
I told the shrink to get stuffed and about a month later my specialist had spoken to the shrink and they re-evaluated their position and they no longer believed it was psychological. By then more symptoms were appearing that could not be brushed off as psychological as they were showing up on clinical tests. Tests I'll point out they had not recommended but that I had had done through another doctor.
I've come across many people in this country who have been in a similar position. Victims of the sheer arrogance, hubris and the total lack of accountability in the medical profession. If they can't find anything "clinically" wrong with you, ignoring the fact they make no genuine concerted effort in the first place, they brush it off as in your head. Regardless of the physical symptoms you're experiencing. As a patient psychologically breaks down under the stress not only of their condition but dealing with these 'professionals' the doctors then take advantage and use that psychological break down against the patient to push their 'it's in the head' diagnoses.
It really is that cold, cynical and wicked. I witnessed it first hand.
Nothing was ever identified as the cause of either the recognized condition or the other symptoms. The former cleared up on it's own and the latter eased up at the same time.
Attempts at diagnosing it has involved around 30 doctors in 4 cities around the country. Ironically they're now looking at Mitochondrial conditions for the current symptoms that still haven't cleared up. There's been some breakthroughs with research in that regard I'm told.
Poor girl you can't imagine the torture she's going through mentally. Having been left to rot in hospital and 'experimented' on myself I at least have some understanding.
Not knowing why one is not operating 100% is frustrating.
In my case it was related to my diet. I overcame lethargy, joint pains and migraines this year by switching from the conventional "heart-healthy" low fat diet to LCHF. These and other local forums have more info on it.
I'm still in my 20s and the joint pains come back the moment I fall back to my carb ways (damn you, pizza!).
Petrol in a diesel engine scenario.
In my case it was related to my diet. I overcame lethargy, joint pains and migraines this year by switching from the conventional "heart-healthy" low fat diet to LCHF. These and other local forums have more info on it.
I'm still in my 20s and the joint pains come back the moment I fall back to my carb ways (damn you, pizza!).
Petrol in a diesel engine scenario.
I tried a low carb diet for about 3-4 months but unfortunately there was no improvement. Just lost almost 20kgs
The nutritionist who recomended it had been very ill and written off by doctors as well. In fact just spoke to guy who had been sick for decades including a spell in a U.S hospital again was left for dead but eventually was cured by a treatment based primarily on diet.
Myrrdin
Expert Member
Hi Alan.
Thanks for the insight and I wish you get completely well soon.
I am a little bit more concerned re the legal ramifications as I am a parent who takes my child to a doctor and blindly accept what the doctor prescribes. And for good reason as I have no medical knowledge at all. If I take my child to a different doctor lets say while on holiday in Durban. The doctor there decides that he disagrees with the previous doctor's diagnosis and me and my wife are labelled child abusers because we followed the doctor's prescription.
The mere thought freaks me out. Is the legal obligation on me as a parent to know if any diagnosis by any doctor is correct.
As I have stated, I have no medical knowledge or interest in medicine. I have and will always have my child's best interest at heart, therefore I take him to the best doctor when he is sick and don't try and self medicate. From my perspective the level of trust in the medical profession must be absolute.
However, like in this case, can I be held liable for the doctor's incompetence regarding medications or procedures prescribed.
And like in this case, if I question any doctor's prognosis it is a red flag for Münchausen syndrome by proxy.
As a parent I seem to be between a rock and a hard place.
Thanks for the insight and I wish you get completely well soon.
I am a little bit more concerned re the legal ramifications as I am a parent who takes my child to a doctor and blindly accept what the doctor prescribes. And for good reason as I have no medical knowledge at all. If I take my child to a different doctor lets say while on holiday in Durban. The doctor there decides that he disagrees with the previous doctor's diagnosis and me and my wife are labelled child abusers because we followed the doctor's prescription.
The mere thought freaks me out. Is the legal obligation on me as a parent to know if any diagnosis by any doctor is correct.
As I have stated, I have no medical knowledge or interest in medicine. I have and will always have my child's best interest at heart, therefore I take him to the best doctor when he is sick and don't try and self medicate. From my perspective the level of trust in the medical profession must be absolute.
However, like in this case, can I be held liable for the doctor's incompetence regarding medications or procedures prescribed.
And like in this case, if I question any doctor's prognosis it is a red flag for Münchausen syndrome by proxy.
As a parent I seem to be between a rock and a hard place.
Y'all Qaeda
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This time.. It was Lupus.
Datura
Captain Faptastic
What language is that?
My wife was given medication for a condition that left her unable to work. We where told that there is nothing more that can be done. She was like a zombie the whole time. It was awful.
When we arrived in the UK and we registered with a GP, the GP gave her different meds and within a month she was able to start working.
In SA I was paying exhorbitant medical aid rates as well as always running out of benefits because of the costs.
In the UK, I pay £350 a month national insurance and we pay £7.50 when we pick up meds from the pharmacy. No flipping surprises.
I know a lot a people don't agree with national health systems, and will argue SA can't afford it, etc., but I can't shake the feeling that under the private healthcare system in SA, the doctors and pharmacy industry can milk their patients because it's all about profit and they don't give a stuff about a patients quality of life. Just keep you alive as long as the money is being.
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
I tried a low carb diet for about 3-4 months but unfortunately there was no improvement. Just lost almost 20kgs
The nutritionist who recomended it had been very ill and written off by doctors as well. In fact just spoke to guy who had been sick for decades including a spell in a U.S hospital again was left for dead but eventually was cured by a treatment based primarily on diet.
Is nutritionist a legally protected term in SA? I know in the UK dietitian is but not nutritionist, so someone calling themselves that there is likely a quack.