Canon 650D - with lens kit or without

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Hi

I am looking at buying a 650D and I want to know if it is worth it to buy the body with a lens kit deal or if it would be better to buy the body only and look for lenses separately.

Someone told me the lenses that come with the body as a package are not that good normally compared to some decent priced lenses you can get.

I already have a fairly decent 80-300mm Canon lens even it is a bit old and does not have IS.

Any opinions?
 
What's the price difference and how much extra are you willing to spend.

Personally I've never regretted starting off with the kit lens. It's cheap 'n nasty but plenty good enough for what it is. In fact while my 24-70 was in for repairs I was glad I still had it around.
 
The kit has 3 lenses included and gives one quite a variety of uses. These lenses are not the best in the world, but it will allow you to get-up-and-go. The saving you get buying the body alone might allow you to get one decent lens.
 
Looks like the price difference is around 2 - 3k, then you get a EF-S 18–135mm. But I think I need to go into a few shops first to get proper specs and prices on lenses
 
The kit has 3 lenses included and gives one quite a variety of uses. These lenses are not the best in the world, but it will allow you to get-up-and-go. The saving you get buying the body alone might allow you to get one decent lens.

Which bundle are you referring to?
 
Which bundle are you referring to?

There are various bundles but IIRC one of them is a 18-55, 55-200 (or similar), and a 50mm f/1.8 along with a bag and memory card.
 
There are various bundles but IIRC one of them is a 18-55, 55-200 (or similar), and a 50mm f/1.8 along with a bag and memory card.

That sounds like last month - they added another memory card and a book (I might be mistaken)
 
I bought the 650D triple lens bundle about two months ago. The day I bought it a guy at work leant me his Tamron 24-70 f2.8 lens to play around with. That evening the camera with the lens fell over because of the crappy tripod I got in the bundle (yes, you can laugh now). The lens’s filter ring got damaged but it was otherwise fine. I bought a new lens for the guy who leant it to me so I kept the old one. Since that day I have only used the Tamron and I have never used the three kit lenses I got in the bundle.
I might use the 75 – 300 for long distance shooting, the 50MM has a nice low F and the 18-55 has good macro abilities but if I had to do it again I would buy the body only and spend big money on a good tripod and lenses. Another thing to consider is that if you ever upgrade to a full frame camera (6D / 5D Mk III) your kit lenses will not work.
 
The 18-135mm is not too bad, wil take if I were you, stay away from the 18-55mm. And make sure you get a prime lens.
 
Someone told me the lenses that come with the body as a package are not that good normally compared to some decent priced lenses you can get.

Any opinions?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the optics of kit lenses. The two aspects that typically differentiates the kit lenses from the "better" lenses are build quality (including weight) and design parameters (e.g., maximum aperture).

In terms of build quality, the kit lenses are adequate for occasional use (weekends and vacations), but the internal plastic components will not stand up to heavy daily use. You might see, for example, some wobble on the extending barrel of a kit lens under such heavy use over a long period of time. This is largely irrelevant for casual use, and the upside is that the kit lenses are rather light and compact.

In my opinion, you usually buy a "better" lens to obtain either a larger maximum aperture, or a focal length that is not covered by your kit lens. For example, a typical 18-55 mm kit lens will have a variable maximum aperture ranging from f/3.5 at 18 mm decreasing to f/5.6 at 55 mm. You will find that f/5.6 at 55 mm is not satisfactory for lower light indoor use, for example.

If you are familiar with the camera body and the type of photos you intent to capture, you can skip the kit lens(es) and buy an enthusiast class lens. For example, the Sigma 17-50 mm f/2.8 constant maximum aperture zoom, or the equivalent Tamron 17-50 mm f/2.8 VC, will provide a nice upgrade over the kit 18-55 mm lens. These lenses are probably in the R8k range.

You may be interested mostly in prime lenses, in which case you might just as well take the usual kit zoom (18-55 mm) as a backup. The "kit grade" prime lens, which means the 50 mm f/1.8 in Canon's range, is built cheaply, but optically just fine for the money (around R1k, I believe). Unfortunately, this is usually the third lens in a three-lens + body kit, which means you will have to buy a 55-250 mm kit telephoto, which does not make sense in your case.

So it really comes down to what you need. If you need a large aperture zoom, you will pay upwards of R8k per lens. Primes may be a more affordable way to obtain larger apertures, but obviously you have to know which primes you need, which can be tricky if you are new to the APS-C format.

I know there are some other nice lenses in Canon's range (something like a 15-85 mm?) which may be a good enough reason to skip the kit zoom. This will still leave you with a variable maximum aperture, which is not ideal for low light, but 15-85 mm is an extremely convenient focal length range for APS-C.

Summary: If you know you need low light capability, or you already know which focal lengths you need, then skip the kit lens.
 
The 50mm F1.8 would be nice, but I already have the 18-55, a 300mm, a decent tripod and a nice bag :(

You might have mentioned that in the beginning. ;)
 
Naahh, there is some good advice on this thread

Thanks a lot

Just an aside but if you're thinking about getting a nice chunky lens you might also want to get a grip if you don't already own one. The heavier the lens the more uncomfortable the smaller bodies tend to get. (I'm thinking back to the time that I decided to shoot cricket with my old 400D and a 400mm f/2.8 with a TC :o)
 
Just an aside but if you're thinking about getting a nice chunky lens you might also want to get a grip if you don't already own one. The heavier the lens the more uncomfortable the smaller bodies tend to get. (I'm thinking back to the time that I decided to shoot cricket with my old 400D and a 400mm f/2.8 with a TC :o)

When I take foto's at cricket I spend more time holding my beer than my camera :D
 
When I take foto's at cricket I spend more time holding my beer than my camera :D

I have to admit I got a few strange looks from the other guys when I took of the 1D body and replaced it with the 400D :D
 
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