Canon 6D

Out of interest, are you looking for full frame and why?

On a side note I see rumours for the 7D mk2 are hotting up....
 
The 6D is a low-end full frame body. The 7D is a high-end [-]full frame[/-] crop (APS-C) body. The fact that the 6D is a full frame body does not make it a higher-end body than the 7D in any respect (except image quality, obviously). It's a lower end body in every other respect - on par with the 60D at best.

The 5DmkIII is the "upgrade" from the 7D, but also not even in all respects. The 7D is still a faster camera.
 
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I'm not ... I'm quite happy with the 7D - but I've always felt there was nothing to upgrade to should you want.

My a long time there was the 5DMKII which didn't interest me due to some archaic features. The III is fantastic but about double the price. So when this was launched, I thought that *if* I went that route, it'd be an upgrade.

But seems there are a few things less than the 7D ... odd

Btw - if I had money, I'd go FF for the better low light
 
koffiejunkie said:
The 6D is a low-end full frame body. The 7D is a high-end full frame body. The fact that the 6D is a full frame body does not make it a higher-end body than the 7D in any respect (except image quality, obviously). It's a lower end body in every other respect - on par with the 60D at best.

The 5DmkIII is the "upgrade" from the 7D, but also not even in all respects. The 7D is still a faster camera.
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Wooooah. 7D is not full frame ;) it is APS-C.... The 60D will never come close to the 6D!! Build is faaaaaar better, 6D semi-magnesium alloy vs plastic 60D, better ergonomics, 97% viewfinder etc etc


Dolby, I have used the 6D, it is AMAZING. Image quality is better than the 5DMk3 at high ISO, 6D can shoot comfortably in JPG at 12800, 5D3 at 10000 with a clean image. Autofocus is really snappy, I don't need the 5D3 AF as I only ever use center point. 6D also have the best low-light focusing ability of any current camera. If you can't afford a 5D3 then it is a no brainer to go 6D.

Oh and Cameraland has the 6D for R19799 ;) http://www.cameraland.co.za/canon-eos-6d-body.html
 
Edduck said:
Wooooah. 7D is not full frame ;) it is APS-C
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Eish, it's been a long day. Fixed.

Edduck said:
.... The 60D will never come close to the 6D!! Build is faaaaaar better, 6D semi-magnesium alloy vs plastic 60D, better ergonomics, 97% viewfinder etc etc
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Yes yes, but it's still not an upgrade to the 7D *except* for the sensor. It's focus system is primitive compared to the 7D. Dince Dolby made a point of mentioning the focus points, I think we can assume he uses the rest.

So I'll stick to my story. In that context (AF points), the 5D3 is the *only* upgrade from a 7D.
 
koffiejunkie said:
Eish, it's been a long day. Fixed.



Yes yes, but it's still not an upgrade to the 7D *except* for the sensor. It's focus system is primitive compared to the 7D. Dince Dolby made a point of mentioning the focus points, I think we can assume he uses the rest.

So I'll stick to my story. In that context (AF points), the 5D3 is the *only* upgrade from a 7D.
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I was wondering for a second what was going on ;) hehe. True, AF does make a difference. I am still doing fine on my trusty 50D and it's even more old-school AF system (sames as 20D :O :O !!)
 
Edduck said:
I was wondering for a second what was going on ;) hehe. True, AF does make a difference. I am still doing fine on my trusty 50D and it's even more old-school AF system (sames as 20D :O :O !!)
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Even though they have the same number of focus point, they don't share the same focus system at all. The 20D and 30D has one cross-type focus point (center point). The other eight are not cross type, i.e. they're only sensitive in one direction (usually vertically). The 40D and 50D (and I assume 60D) has nine cross type focus points, and the center point is kinda like a double focus point:



I remember this clearly because it was one of the big reasons why I chose to buy the newer, more expensive 40D over the (then still available) 30D.

Using only the center point is losing out on what this camera (50D) provides. The outer points are exceptionally accurate. In the three years of shooting with first a 40D later 50D, the only out of focus images I ever had were all obviously my fault. I've used the camera in places so dark that I couldn't make out people's faces through the viewfinder, yet the camera still locked on reliably, and that with an f/4 lens.

I've spent a good deal of time trying out the 5D/5DII and their center point, while good, doesn't match the 40D/50D, let alone the outer points. I had an opportunity to try the 6D and 5D3 side by side over the hoiidays too. 5D3 all the way!
 
koffiejunkie said:
Eish, it's been a long day. Fixed.



Yes yes, but it's still not an upgrade to the 7D *except* for the sensor. It's focus system is primitive compared to the 7D. Dince Dolby made a point of mentioning the focus points, I think we can assume he uses the rest.

So I'll stick to my story. In that context (AF points), the 5D3 is the *only* upgrade from a 7D.
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I was in the exact same boat when upgrading now as well, except that I was on the Nikon side of the river ;)

having a D300s (equivalent of the 7d), I got all excited about the D600, until I actually held it and realised that it has nowhere near the level of controls nor build quality of the D300s. While the image quality may be excellent, if I have to go in to menus to change things, I am not going to be satisfied with the level of controls, build quality, etc (my budget obviously works the other way round, but, hey) ;)

After comparing the D600 and the D800, i realised that the only real upgrade path from a "pro" APS body (7d or D300s) is actually a 5D3 or D800. The D600 and 6D are targeted at the D7000 or the 60D users looking to upgrade...
 
mic_y said:
having a D300s (equivalent of the 7d), I got all excited about the D600, until I actually held it and realised that it has nowhere near the level of controls nor build quality of the D300s.
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What did you get in the end? A friend of mine just picked up a secondhand D700 and we travelled together for three weeks, so I got to shoot with it a fair deal. In my view (and his, having owned a D7000 before) it is a worthy upgrade in image quality and focus system, and of course it has all the controls that the D300(S) has.
 
koffiejunkie said:
What did you get in the end? A friend of mine just picked up a secondhand D700 and we travelled together for three weeks, so I got to shoot with it a fair deal. In my view (and his, having owned a D7000 before) it is a worthy upgrade in image quality and focus system, and of course it has all the controls that the D300(S) has.
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Ended up with a D800 :D it is amazing, and I dont regret spending the small fortune that i did on it (at least from what I have managed to play around with so far). I am still in the process of editing some shots that I took, and will upload some of the more interesting ones as soon as I get a chance.

On the topic of the D700, yeah, it is definitely a worthwhile upgrade, in the same sense that a 5D2 is an upgrade for a 7D user. I shot with one last year, and besides the slightly higher weight, it is a D300s with a full-frame sensor. I felt right at home coming from a D300s. The D800 does change things up a bit more (still always push the wrong zoom button ;) but it is still fairly close to a D300s/D700 controls. I found that the D600 felt a lot more like a D7000 in the hand.

Whilst shooting with the D700, that is when I properly understood the major difference that a full-frame sensor makes (specifically for the type of photography that I do). That was around the time that I decided that my next upgrade would be full-frame.
 
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mic_y said:
Ended up with a D800 :D
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Great! The only thing that puts me off it (wearing my "pretend to be a nikon user" cap here) is the size of the images. I'm already battling with storage with 18MP files.

mic_y said:
On the topic of the D700, yeah, it is definitely a worthwhile upgrade, in the same sense that a 5D2 is an upgrade for a 7D user.
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You mean 5D3? The 5D2 is, aside from the sensor, a lesser camera than the 7D.

mic_y said:
I found that the D600 felt a lot more like a D7000 in the hand.
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I believe that's the intention - for the D600 to be a full frame option for the enthusiast users who like the D7000 but want full frame and don't care about the more pro aspects of the D700/D800. Ditto the 6D.

mic_y said:
Whilst shooting with the D700, that is when I properly understood the major difference that a full-frame sensor makes (specifically for the type of photography that I do). That was around the time that I decided that my next upgrade would be full-frame.
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That's really the point, isn't it. A shot taken with 50mm on a full frame *looks different* to a shot taken with 30mm on a crop body, even though the FOV is roughly the same. It's a matter of personal taste, and I really really really really love my Sigma 30mm f/1.4. But I just like the look of portraits with my 50mm on my full frame (film :)) body better.
 
koffiejunkie said:
Great! The only thing that puts me off it (wearing my "pretend to be a nikon user" cap here) is the size of the images. I'm already battling with storage with 18MP files.
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yeah, especially in my case as i still prefer shooting RAW, and dealing with 40mb files is a bit of a pain. thankfully storage is dirt cheap. I just keep all my shots on a FreeNAS server, with 5x2TB drives in it...

koffiejunkie said:
You mean 5D3? The 5D2 is, aside from the sensor, a lesser camera than the 7D.
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I was looking at it purely from the perspective of a nikon user where the 5d2 was the equivalent of the D700, where as the 5d3 is the equivalent of the D800. since my allegiance was selected for me (started using my fathers camera, which just happened to be a nikon), never looked at the detailed specs of canon bodies...

koffiejunkie said:
That's really the point, isn't it. A shot taken with 50mm on a full frame *looks different* to a shot taken with 30mm on a crop body, even though the FOV is roughly the same. It's a matter of personal taste, and I really really really really love my Sigma 30mm f/1.4. But I just like the look of portraits with my 50mm on my full frame (film :)) body better.
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completely agreed koffie... I fell in love with my 50mm 1.4 again this past weekend while shooting on the D800. While i did enjoy the lens on a crop body, it was always just that little bit too long, whereas having shot with it on a full frame, i was absolutely blown away by everything. I think that I will be utilising the 50mm a lot more now...
 
mic_y said:
completely agreed koffie... I fell in love with my 50mm 1.4 again this past weekend while shooting on the D800. While i did enjoy the lens on a crop body, it was always just that little bit too long, whereas having shot with it on a full frame, i was absolutely blown away by everything. I think that I will be utilising the 50mm a lot more now...
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I recently stumbled upon a good deal on a 2nd hand 50mm f/1.4, so sold the f/1.8 one. Wow, bwana was right - there's a huge difference!

I also learned that sand in your 50mm f/1.4 is bad. Cost me almost as much as a new lens to have it cleaned/fixed. On the up side, they replaced almost every part except for the barrel and the caps, so the lens is now almost entirely new :)
 
koffiejunkie said:
I recently stumbled upon a good deal on a 2nd hand 50mm f/1.4, so sold the f/1.8 one. Wow, bwana was right - there's a huge difference!
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My 1.8 was a bit of a dog, but WOW my 1.4 is super sharp. I'm completely in love with it.
 
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undesign said:
My 1.8 was a bit of a dog, but WOW my 1.4 is super sharp. I'm completely in love with it.
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A bit of a dog in what respect?

Mine was very very sharp, without any distortions of any kind. The big difference, as far as image goes, is the bokeh on the 1.4 is just that much nicer. And of course, it's it's built better, focus is quiet, manual focus is a breeze compared the 1.8 with its short throw.
 
koffiejunkie said:
A bit of a dog in what respect?

Mine was very very sharp, without any distortions of any kind. The big difference, as far as image goes, is the bokeh on the 1.4 is just that much nicer. And of course, it's it's built better, focus is quiet, manual focus is a breeze compared the 1.8 with its short throw.
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AF was crap. Nailing it much better with the 1.4.

I just all round like this lens. :)
 
I also want a 50mm f/1.4 but I don't want to deal with the hassle [-]if[/-] when the AF breaks :(
 
swift412 said:
I also want a 50mm f/1.4 but I don't want to deal with the hassle [-]if[/-] when the AF breaks :(
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So you're saying the failure rate is 100%?

For what it's worth, lensrentals.com's repair statistics show the 50mm f/1.4 to have a 16% failure rate, roughly double the average (8.25%), and well below some of the most popular lenses (several 70-200 models, for example).

Interestingly, they don't have figures on the 50mm f/1.8 II because they don't stock it. I would bet its failure rate would be higher.
 
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