Canon lenses

you see, most modern lenses are sharp at their ideal f/stop
L lenses are sharp, even when wide open - they also have better corner sharpness (my subjects are never in the far corners :D)

Neither are mine. Not intentionally, anyways :o

they have also been known to survive falls of 7ft onto rocks :cool:

See, there's one of the reasons why I bought that lens. Ideal for clumsy okes like me :)

That said, I haven't even bumped it yet, much less dropped it.
 
Contrary to popular belief, size does matter... :D

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Koffie, thats wher you and I are different, I dont read a lot of photography forums. I try and use as many lenses as I can (borrow & rent) of the focal range used.

For example;
You gonna tell me the 55-200 canon lense beats the hell out of the 70-200F2.8L? And better still that same 55-200 performs better at 200mm than the 200F2.8L?

And also the 75-300, beats all the the L lenses in that focal area?

I agree on the 50mm comaprison, even tho I have not had the opportunity to use the F1.2. I stopped at F1.4, as to me the price difference from F1.8 down to F1.4, does not warrant a possible buy. The 1.4 battles with finding proper focus, so the motor in the lense aint gonna last..... At under ZAR1200 the 1.8 is a steal.

There is a reason why some lenses are just a lot more expensive. Try a 300 F2.8 L IS, it wins hands down in that focal length, and so does the 200F2.8L, and I dont think the 100 Macro has equals either.

I have used all these lenses on a 350D, 20D & 40D. I even tried a 2X converter on the 300F2.8L.....

Sure the forums are great, but all forums are the same where every peep, praises his own stuff.

Yes, since we are not real pro;s who actually make a living from photography, we stick to the consumer lenses, they are good enough and we can get as much image out of our 75-300 which cost 5K as we would from the 300F2.8L which costs 50K.
 
Koffie, thats wher you and I are different, I dont read a lot of photography forums. I try and use as many lenses as I can (borrow & rent) of the focal range used.

For example;
You gonna tell me the 55-200 canon lense beats the hell out of the 70-200F2.8L? And better still that same 55-200 performs better at 200mm than the 200F2.8L?

And also the 75-300, beats all the the L lenses in that focal area?

Where do you get that from? Firstly, my "size matters" comment referred specifically to comparing the Canon EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM and Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM. I like the latter for it's compactness in my bag, and since I travel a fair bit, I don't depend on my photography to put food on the table, the slight performance difference and price is an acceptible compromise for me. It performs better than my Sigma 70-300 at the extremes anyway.

Secondly, I never even mentioned the 55-200 or 75-300 or any other lens v.s. the 70-200L models. Maybe you're confusing me with someone else. I don't have, and have never tried the 55-200 or 75-300. I was simply stating that it has a red line around doesn't mean it's the best glass ever made at that focal length, and I stand by that. I cited the 50mm f/1.2 as a specific example that many professionals who have spend the money on it, are disappointed with. I have read many times over that it is not as good in any respect (except price) as the 50mm f/1.0 it replaces. I've also ran into this setup more than I expected - makes you think.

I agree on the 50mm comaprison, even tho I have not had the opportunity to use the F1.2. I stopped at F1.4, as to me the price difference from F1.8 down to F1.4, does not warrant a possible buy. The 1.4 battles with finding proper focus, so the motor in the lense aint gonna last..... At under ZAR1200 the 1.8 is a steal.

I have tried several of the f/1.4 models and have not had thsi problem. If I ever feel the need for a 50mm, that's the one I'll get. For now, I have opted for a 35mm f/2 which gives me roundabout the same angle of view that the 50mm on my K1000 does.

There is a reason why some lenses are just a lot more expensive. Try a 300 F2.8 L IS, it wins hands down in that focal length, and so does the 200F2.8L, and I dont think the 100 Macro has equals either.

Sure the forums are great, but all forums are the same where every peep, praises his own stuff.

Like I said, I was referring to an example of people who are not happy with their "own stuff."

Anyway, that fact that you're getting this much varied responses on the qualities of this lens and whichever other one should tell you that maybe there's a consistency problem on Canon's part, which is disappointing. Considering the manufactuing technology we have available (and have had for the last 20 years), there really shouldn't be any difference between samples.
 
Koffie;
I agree on this statement of yours
"Anyway, that fact that you're getting this much varied responses on the qualities of this lens and whichever other one should tell you that maybe there's a consistency problem on Canon's part, which is disappointing. Considering the manufactuing technology we have available (and have had for the last 20 years), there really shouldn't be any difference between samples."

I dont live of money from my photos either, and I buy old stuff. The 450D's 18-55IS lense is the closest I ever came to "the latest and greatest". Hiwever, I do believe in buying good equipment because they last well (age wise too). I still have my Metz 45 flash which is 20yrs end of 2008.

In the consumer market you have to accept a variance to the pro equipment, and you also have to accept a variance between the branded (ie Canon, Nikon, Pentax etc etc) and other brand lenses.

The only two perfect lenses I know of to date is the Canon 300F2.8L IS and the 200F2.8L nonIS lenses. They produced perfect images on both my 350D and 30D. Perfect to me that is.....

Happpy snaps.....
 
I dont live of money from my photos either, and I buy old stuff. The 450D's 18-55IS lense is the closest I ever came to "the latest and greatest". Hiwever, I do believe in buying good equipment because they last well (age wise too). I still have my Metz 45 flash which is 20yrs end of 2008.

I don't live off my photos either but I am fortunate that I have a good job that pays reasonably well, and no wife/kids to drain my finances, so I can splash on the good stuff while I can afford it. Like you say, they last a long time.

In the consumer market you have to accept a variance to the pro equipment, and you also have to accept a variance between the branded (ie Canon, Nikon, Pentax etc etc) and other brand lenses.

I don't buy that. Canon especially have the financial means to have very very strict tolerances. I have seen in other manufacturing industries that it is possible to make things to incredibly tight tolerances. Case in point is Yamaha's brass musical instruments. Bach and Conn (the Canon and Nikon of that particular industry) both make good and bad copies of any particular model, and it is common practise to fly overseas to get to the big shops to try out 20 or so of the same model instrument, and buy the best copy. Yamaha on the other hand, you can order via mail and know that you get exactly what you expect. It's simply sloppy QC on Bach/Conn's side. Same goes for Canon/Nikon etc. If it's possible for them to make good copies of any given lens, there's no excuse for not making all copies the same. And since (you would hope) they calibrate each lens before shipping it, it means each lens is tested so they should know if there's a problem.
 
You cannot compare Canon L series lense image quality to the non-L series.

The EF-s 17-55 2.8 IS is one example where the IQ (and price) is most certainly comparable to 'L' lens'.
The build quality does not compare, but that's not what's being discussed.
 
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The EF-s 17-55 2.8 IS is one example where the IQ (and price) is most certainly comparable to 'L' lens'.

I've heard that. Haven't found one in a shop yet to try. It's a pity there isn't an L lens in that range. The 16-35 is nice but it's a bit short for a walk-around kinda lens. It would be nice to have something like the 17-55 f/2.8 that I can keep if I ever get a FF camera :)

The build quality does not compare, but that's not what's being discussed.

But it's way better than the kit lens, from what I read.
 
I've heard that. Haven't found one in a shop yet to try. It's a pity there isn't an L lens in that range. The 16-35 is nice but it's a bit short for a walk-around kinda lens. It would be nice to have something like the 17-55 f/2.8 that I can keep if I ever get a FF camera :)
lol - arent you the one who commented that someone was falling "hook, line and sinker for the red line."? Concluding that only real difference between that particular lens and a L lens was the 'red line'.

Is L grade important or not? :confused:
 
Poor choice of words on my part. I should have said "Full Frame lens" - L glass only comes in FF. That said, there are no fast non-L full frame lenses in that focal range. If the 17-55 f/2.8 was available in a FF, I'd buy it.
 
I'm thinking of getting the Canon EF-S 17-55mm F2.8 IS lens as a stop gap lens before I move to full frame - either that or the Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L IS.

I'd like the wide angle of the 17-55 but the lack of the full frame compatibility is what's holding me back. :o
 
How about the 16-35L f/2.8? That's my next purchase (as far as lenses go - I have a few other items on my list first).

The EF 24-105L is a great lens, you won't be sorry, but it's not wide - not on crop body. I've looked long and hard at every image from the 18-55mm kit lens I could hand on, and really, it's just not particularly sharp. At least nothing like either the Sigma 10-20mm or the Canon EF 24-105L, so I don't regret purchasing either. That said, I'm seriously considering dropping the £600+ on the 17-55mm f/2.8 - I can't see myself justifying spending the money to move to a FF body until the 40D dies.
 
How about the 16-35L f/2.8? That's my next purchase (as far as lenses go - I have a few other items on my list first).

The EF 24-105L is a great lens, you won't be sorry, but it's not wide - not on crop body. I've looked long and hard at every image from the 18-55mm kit lens I could hand on, and really, it's just not particularly sharp. At least nothing like either the Sigma 10-20mm or the Canon EF 24-105L, so I don't regret purchasing either. That said, I'm seriously considering dropping the £600+ on the 17-55mm f/2.8 - I can't see myself justifying spending the money to move to a FF body until the 40D dies.
The EF 16-35L f/2.8 is going to be too hard on my wallet.

The sigma seems nice but too slow for what I want to do and I need something with a bit more versatility so I dont have to be changing lenses all the time.

BTW - the canon 18-55mm kit lens might have a (serious) distortion problem at its widest and it is a little too slow but I dont think there is a particular lack of sharpness. I took it with me last weekend to St Francis and got some awesome images out of it.
 
A nice alternative to the Canon 17-55mm, if you dont want to blow the budget, is the Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8. It lacks IS, is a few mm shorter and unfortunately comes in EF-S mount only. But at least you'll save yourself around R5000 that you could put to better use once you decide to go FF. It gets pretty good reviews.
 
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