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From one of the articles on this site (quoted from the hearings I think...)

"Telkom regulatory affairs GM Gabriel Celli began by defending the 3GB cap it implements on ADSL offerings as a method of ensuring each subscriber gets a fair amount of bandwidth.

“Our research shows that the average user utilisation is well below 3GB, so it seems sufficient.” "

SO THEN WHY THE CAP DUH?????? THE AVERAGE IS WELL BELOW..... SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM??????
 
The problem is that the average might be below, but is probably because the cap is in place. Most people don't want to exceed the cap in order to be able to surf international stuff for the entire month, so they limit what they download. If the cap is removed the causious people (I personally, don't usually exceed my cap but would download a whole lot more if it was not there) would start to download more. I assume that this is the theory behind not removing the cap.

Also when they say that the average is below the cap, do they mean on ADSL accounts or average per line (many people get multiple accounts to avoid the cap).
 
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The average of anything will be below the maximum. That is just mathematics.. The cap is there to MAKE MONEY on EXTRA ACCOUNTS. It has nothing to do with "fair use" policy, because only "2.5%" of DSL users are so called "abusers", and 2.5% cannot consume all the available bandwidth unless it is a rediculously small amount in the first place.
 
not only is DSL capped, but whats with all the port shaping??? Ill get ADSL when it has a 30GB cap with no port shaping at an affordable price.

Syzygy78
 
3Gig CAP

EdRobinson said:
From one of the articles on this site (quoted from the hearings I think...)

"Telkom regulatory affairs GM Gabriel Celli began by defending the 3GB cap it implements on ADSL offerings as a method of ensuring each subscriber gets a fair amount of bandwidth.

“Our research shows that the average user utilisation is well below 3GB, so it seems sufficient.” "

SO THEN WHY THE CAP DUH?????? THE AVERAGE IS WELL BELOW..... SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM??????
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Just think about this for a second...

Telkom states that according to research done most users don't exceed
3Gig per month. How ridiculous is then when the cap prohibits the
normal person from going over the cap. Therefore almost all ADSL
users will use less than 3Gigs per month.


Look at this from a different perspective:

Newlands rugby stadium is selling tickets for a big upcoming international
game. But in their terms & conditions they state that each person can
only buy a maximum of two tickets.

Then after the game some muppet say:
"The game was a huge success. The attendance was made up of
all the different ethnic groups, and not just whites. Almost all white
fans bought a maximum of two tickets, therefore ensuring that there
were tickets available for everybody"

Exactly the same as Telkom with their statement on the 3 Gig CAP.

Very flawed research by Telkom if you ask me...

(Sorry for bringing colour into the story, but it was to illustrate a point)
 
I don't quite agree with Gangrel.... I don't believe that the average is WELL BELOW the cap because users are scared of hitting the max... Most users just don't need it.... so... WHY THE CAP? (Sorry - point made)
 
Hmmm, the newlands metaphor...

Basically ADSL is the newlands stadium. You cant put more people in the stadium than your maximum capacity. So you try and avoid that. The same goes for your ADSL. You cant surf international after your maximum allowance has been reached. Which is utter shyte!

Internet isnt something that "runs out". What if you need to be on international sites any time of day all day long? "Pace yourself and dont download anything" Screw that...

Ed, i fear you have to clarify for me. How do you mean most users just dont need it?
 
Lets just say

that not all paid users are power users... some just have it for speed, convenience, general use... we use 1gb a month in our office.... but the real point is WHY PENALISE OTHERS if according to T31k0m most users are way below the cap...
 
If Telkom had a cap of 1 meg they could still say most users are below the 1 meg cap. Because once you hit the limit you are capped.
 
Creative Maths!!

This is FAR from practical!!

But I think the concept holds some ground:

Imagine 120Gb/s from Sat3 Homepage

That equals 1 296 000 GB per day!!

That translates into providing almost 1.3 million ppl with a 1 GB per day cap or a 30GB per month cap.

(Obviously the cable is used for stuff other than ADSL etc. and other countries blah blah blah)

:)
 
Ah, i c now EdRob

Well, its a method of control. If they have TOTAL control over how much bandwidth is utilized surely they can then milk it for all its worth! In essence they can now sell more accounts because they have a very clear picture about how much bandwidth they have left.

Obviously its wrong, but hey, if you choose to live in this country you must abide by the rules. "When in Rome..." So i gotta corrupt as many people and business as possible while screwing as many people over as i can. It's the south african way.
 
The thing is

They are in effect calling maximum monthly throughput bandwidth when it's not... bandwidth refers to network capacity at a given time - i.e. effectively speed of throughput... By allowing a maximum of 3gig a month - how are they improving everyone's bandwidth? Those that kill their cap in 2 days will still bring the speed down for everyone if the upstream people don't have 512k dedicated to them... its all nonsense...

I reckon Telkom and everyone else (e.g. SA government owned Sentech, etc.) should advertise their products in terms of worst case scenario (as far as possible - at the local level)... i.e. Telkom Home DSL 512 - fantastic speeds of more than 16kbps in worst case scenario - up to 512k at best... (ok - maybe more than 16k, but I can't confirm this) - anyone else want to have an attempt at comparing services in worst case scenario - taking contentions all the way up into account?
 
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Shaping is a means of providing priority to certain types of internet requests over other types of internet requests.
e.g. A HTTP request (Browse a WebSite) gets priority over a FTP request (accessing a File Transfer Server).

This means, that people using the internet service with the highest priority get their requests answered first, the others have to wait.

Now the trick is to give the most Visible services highest priority, thereby making the ISP's product seem fast, where the reality is that the ISP's Product is actually over utilised and struggling, but the ordinary user does not see this.

This is shaping - pulling the wool over the average user's eyes.

And - the hardware that does shaping slows network traffic down, and costs more money. Really stupid if you ask me. But if it was simply first come first served, then everyone would see how conjested the network really is, and - well - we're not the sweetest customers anybody has ever dealt with.
 
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