capitec stock-how far can it go??

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thought i would put the question to forumites..from its current price do you think we'll see an additional 20% this year(towards last quarter)

i've been considering adding a large chunk of capital but am a little concerned regarding the timing of "entry" hence the above question

any input will be greatly appreciated.
 
About 6 months ago I thought Capitec had peaked, was I wrong :) I steered clear and went for the safer bet, First Rand, which is also doing relatively well.

Capitec have seriously outperformed expectations, but how long can they continue to grow their customer base this aggressively with the current products they have? If you feel they can they it might be worth investing. Their Dividends aren't great though. Still rated as a buy by most sites, but i do think it is a riskier investment than a mining company. With great risk, comes great reward (or pain).

My views above are just speculation and are my own.
 
From what I've read, Capitec will be introducing more product in the next 2 years such at credit card facilities for one. They're apparently also going to be opening about 200 more branches especially in the more affluent area so as to capture the more middle to higher end market. I for one cannot wait for them to introduce the credit card so that I can finally cancel all my banking with FNB.
And no, I don't need a gold or platinum coloured card to impress people with, so stop calling me with stupid offers.
 
thanks for your input/feedback guys, think i'm going to hold on buying that stock for now. It would seem that they are driving their growth to a large degree through "unsecured lending" which gives me the shivers. It could all come down like a pack of cheap cards if their debtors start defaulting a few months down the line.

back to telecoms and beverage sector for me :)
 
there is an old adage that states that "the trend is your friend". In this case I'd be tempted to invest in Capitec. Who knows if the growth will be as explosive as it has been over the last 18 months but if they chug along I expect they will continue to grow the share price at a reasonable pace. Remember that any concerns over unsecured lending are either not really concerns, or already priced in.

I guess you need to look at what you’re investment goals are as well – growth or income or both? Someone mentioned the dividend (income) isn’t that appealing.

But anyway, ultimately by 2 cents is to buy the winners and steer clear of the losers – never try to call the bottom of the barrel, and never throw good money after bad. Choose a stock, set yourself a stop loss, and be disciplined. I try to pick investments that are ‘winners’ and that pay a reasonable dividend, so for me Capitec isn’t ideal, but it is on my watchlist. I'd invest and set a solid stop and if it crosses that count the loss and get out. A similair stock that I’m also watching at the moment is tech stock EOH.
 
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thanks for your input/feedback guys, think i'm going to hold on buying that stock for now. It would seem that they are driving their growth to a large degree through "unsecured lending" which gives me the shivers. It could all come down like a pack of cheap cards if their debtors start defaulting a few months down the line.

back to telecoms and beverage sector for me :)

Should really diversify.

Capitec taking a bashing today, losing all of Fridays gains, not sure why it's become so volatile.
 
With all of the unsecured lending they do, they could be in for a huge shock if the world's economies come under under pressure again. We know that all European economies will be bailed out, but that doesn't prevent them from coming under massive economic pressure...
 
With all of the unsecured lending they do, they could be in for a huge shock if the world's economies come under under pressure again. We know that all European economies will be bailed out, but that doesn't prevent them from coming under massive economic pressure...

"if" that happens, then you can sell. You cant trade based solely on "what if".
 
"if" that happens, then you can sell. You cant trade based solely on "what if".

Of course. I'm talking about the inherent risk in incorporating Capitec into a long-term portfolio. You do realise that "then you can sell" is a pretty piss-poor methodology to use as a part of your investment portolfios. Its fine if you're day-trading but I highly doubt that the members of this forum are day-traders...
 
Let's try this. Capitec will hit R500 a share. Or maybe drop down to R20 a share due to the unsecured lending bubble (which is another argument). Or it will stabilise at R230 a share. Getting the trend. Humans are really bad in predicting the future. Where is the economist that said that gold would hit $2000 by the end of 2011? Nowhere. But when gold hits $2000, he/she will jump and say they predicted it correctly.

My point is not to look at the share price, but look at the underlying running of the company and the ability to create value.
 
Of course. I'm talking about the inherent risk in incorporating Capitec into a long-term portfolio. You do realise that "then you can sell" is a pretty piss-poor methodology to use as a part of your investment portolfios. Its fine if you're day-trading but I highly doubt that the members of this forum are day-traders...

Im not a day-trader either. I have some really moderate investments that I've played with for a number of years.

Over the years, I have learnt 2 things about getting in and out:
1) Listening to noise (and being influenced by it) is the worst way to pick your investments
2) When you do finally decide to invest, no matter how sure you are, know when you're going to get out

The only graphs I look at are the ones that show the share price for the last month/6 months/year/3 years/5 years/10 years. Go and do this for Capitecs shares.

Then do something that I haven't done yet, and read their last financial results and future plans from the board.

If it all seems good to you, and you want to get in, then do it, knowing that you don't know everything, and absolutely any investment could go pear shaped (there is inherent risk is any equities investment).

One of the worst things I ever did was pick up some stock during the recession, and after it lost 30% of its value, I thought it would be a great time to pick up more (calling a bottom), and I did. and promptly lost everything I had. Conversely, I also learned never to call the top either, when i stayed out of investing in EOH because it had just made over 100% since I started watching it - now its up over 200%. I have called a bottom before and made over 150%, but that was pure pure luck and never repeated.

I really love a little investment here and there - for me its like a hobby. And as its a hobby, I'm by no means a professional. I think educating yourself is key, and i think that over a long period of time you start to understand things alot more (like why share prices can go up when employees get retrenched), and also realise some of the things that you just wont ever understand.

Ultimately, before you decide to invest in anything, its good to have a "system". That's all I'm advocating at the end of the day. Be clear on what kind of investment you're making, and why you're making it. Be clear on what you want to achieve out of it, and most importantly, be clear on what you're going to do if you're expectations aren't met. If you are disciplined and leave you're emotions at the door, success will surely follow.

As an example: You pick up share x for R100, and you've done this based on a solid fundamental analysis (as solid as you can do without calling your accountant), avoiding as far as possible the noise surrounding the share and perhaps picking up on a few other interesting happenings (like share purchases by directors of company x). You know that any investment can go bad, so you set a stop loss at R90 (10% loss)

Scenario A: Things go well, the company pays a 4% dividend and in the first year the price grows by 10%. Awesome. This is after the price dropped 5% when European markets were a bit iffy, went up to level again, appreciated, came down again, came down to 6% went back up etc etc etc. But, like for the last several years, its trending upwards...seems like a good investment.

Scenario B: Unsecured lending starts to put a burden on the company. Before Joe Public know about it, the professionals have already got wind and started selling. The share drops by 10% to R90. You are unemotional about this. You dont worry about the loss (because you're prepared to lose all of this money anyway) and you sell your shares. You lose R10 and you walk away, and you dont care what happens afterwards. You dont care if the price goes back up, or continues down, or whatever, because you have a system, and it told you to do this, and you did.

Result: You've followed this strategy for 10 different stocks in different sectors. They've naturally all performed differently, but because you have worked out how to spot decent performers, 7 of them are appreciating, 1 is stagnating, 2 are approaching your 10% exit point, and all of them are paying you a decent dividend.

Long bloody post, but it highlights, to an extent, some of my own habbits that have worked really well for me so far, and I think elaborates a little more on my "then you can sell" statement :)
 
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Let's try this. Capitec will hit R500 a share. Or maybe drop down to R20 a share due to the unsecured lending bubble (which is another argument). Or it will stabilise at R230 a share. Getting the trend. Humans are really bad in predicting the future. Where is the economist that said that gold would hit $2000 by the end of 2011? Nowhere. But when gold hits $2000, he/she will jump and say they predicted it correctly.

My point is not to look at the share price, but look at the underlying running of the company and the ability to create value.

i appreciate your point of view but you could also assess value in a investment as being based on "sustainability"(at least in the short term 1-3years)
unsecured lending in SA could spell a worst case scenario for financial institutions, it's sheer madness in my mind but its a scenario that was bound to happen sooner or later in SA as the sector has become increasingly competitive with lenders resorting to desperate ways of increasing their client base.
 
Capitec has gone up too high too fast. I have not looked at the PE ratio yet but if it is above 14 then stay away. Also look at the RSI. If it is over 70, then it is overbought. At 40 it will be oversold.
All in all, it is far too volatile for me. No appetite for that.
 
it's not dropping. Not yet anyhow. And broker consensus is a buy - but those chaps never agree anyway. I would still pick this up and ride it out for a while.
 
yes..i decided to go in @218.60 as it seems it has a ways to go.
 
thought i would put the question to forumites..from its current price do you think we'll see an additional 20% this year(towards last quarter)

i've been considering adding a large chunk of capital but am a little concerned regarding the timing of "entry" hence the above question

any input will be greatly appreciated.

D0(1+growth)/Return - Growth = Capitec is overvalued. 'ONLY USING THIS' I feel they are /were a growth stock.Market had their way with it but its hit a relative region of its general ceiling cap. If anything I would give it a week or two compare my changes of daily rates on the share,compare expected growth in the same period,interpret the market feel and my own.Personally its a bubble stock.Overvalued,cant wait for it to have its downturn so I can make some money off of it
 
JP Morgan made a loss of $2B on a trade last week and this might grow larger. So stay away from banks for a while. JP Morgan is the biggest bank in the US so the effects could cause a tsunami effect around the globe.
 
That trade shouldn't impact local banks whatsoever. Besides, it wasn't client cash so the fallout is contained...
 
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