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A friend in his mid 30's earning mid 20's and is RHCE certified, would like to know what he can study to advance his career and add to his skill set in order to earn a higher salary. I know starting in a different field would yield Junior salary, so staying in his relevant field would be best, any advise?
 
I do suggest getting a higher qualification. Two career movements that aren't completely unrelated are software development (study Com Sci or IS through UNISA part time) or moving into the business or managment side of IT (B.Com, B. IS, B.Tech, perhaps eventually an MBA).

One other point is that there is a lot to be said about work experience in even the most tangentially related fields, he likely won't start from square one, and will advance relatively quickly.
 
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I do suggest getting a higher qualification. Two career movements that aren't completely unrelated are software development (study Com Sci or IS through UNISA part time) or moving into the business or managment side of IT (B.Com, B. IS, B.Tech, perhaps eventually an MBA).

One other point is that there is a lot to be said about work experience in even the most tangentially related fields, he likely won't start from square one, and will advance relatively quickly.

If he is in his 30s it means he is most ikely a senior, to avoid the "rat race" he can begin thinking about starting his own business
 
He doesnt want to do management, and isnt sure about doing programming if it means starting all over. Also isnt keen on starting a business, so wants to advance in his field. Either by doing vmware, oracle, java or jboss course to add to his skill set to increase his salary. Just looking for ideas on which way to go and which would be best way to do it
 
I know how hard the RHCE exam is, so I feel quite bad for your friend. IF he was similarly microsoft certified he would very likely be earning much more.

If i were him i would move into the networking space. Being a network admin for a SME with RHCE skills would be quite advantageous. He can provide cheaper, optimized scripted skills whilst running the network. There is quite a bit of cross pollination between having linux skills and doing network optimization / maintenance and monitoring
 
My friend, with no post-school studies, just took a job now bringing in close to 40k per month. All he has done is some Microsoft Licensing certificates that says he knows how to sell MS Licenses or something. Comparatively, my friend with a Marketing degree is getting under R20k and I with a BCom Honours in Accounting am not even close to R30k yet (Although in my case, from next year, should hopefully bump to the over R40k mark) :p ... I'd say my friend just struck it lucky :p
 
I doubt it's because he knows how to sell licensing...
Maybe he's good at his job and adds value to the business.

Anyways, back to the OP, there's not much demand for a RHCE, hence the limiting career.
He can look at Virtualization, where his skills will be an advantage.
 
I doubt it's because he knows how to sell licensing...
Maybe he's good at his job and adds value to the business.

Anyways, back to the OP, there's not much demand for a RHCE, hence the limiting career.
He can look at Virtualization, where his skills will be an advantage.

No, obviously... I was just saying, the guy with no degree earns more than both friends with a degree :P
 
to add an MCSE to their skill set, would self study be the best way considering he will still be working?. and what would the best way to go about obtaining the MCSE for server 2012? where can one find the study material, and how much are the exams, how many exams are needed?
 
I would look at virtualization (VMWare), enterprise database specialisation (Oracle), anything do to with scalable architecture (clustered file systems, private clouds) and security (think DDoS, IPS etc). Unless he has some very specialised skill, salary will cap off. I would consider going into infrastructure architecture (think "technical manager" which is still hands-on rather than "people manager").

Running your own business is tough (unless you have a unique value proposition and RHCE is not it). The logical choice is to start managing a team of people, become instrumental in IT decisions within the company. BTW: A degree means really nothing when it comes to salary - it might give someone a higher entry salary, but someone with experience and motivation will always run circles around them.
 
BTW: A degree means really nothing when it comes to salary - it might give someone a higher entry salary, but someone with experience and motivation will always run circles around them.

Huh? A degree => new skills => better expected salary. Also the hope is that a person gets a degree and gets experience and is motivated. In fact, it is hard to get a degree without motivation, and experience is an eventual certainty.
 
Huh? A degree => new skills => better expected salary. Also the hope is that a person gets a degree and gets experience and is motivated. In fact, it is hard to get a degree without motivation, and experience is an eventual certainty.

Not quite - when you look at university graduates you will find a jobless rate of 10%-25% in Europe (I think Spain borders the 50% mark). A degree does not automatically guarantee that you are very smart or provide productive input into a business. I have come across employees in the past who could not code themselves out of a wet paper bag, but had the tenacity to study and score very well in exams. Just because someone has good theoretical skills does not mean that he can apply that knowledge.

Gaining experience as an eventual certainty is not always the case - the most basic test for this is to ask your staff what they have learned/gained in knowledge today/this week/this month. I think a degree will help you nowadays to get hired for your first job, but to be honest if you get fired today and the only thing you have to show on your CV are a few years of work and a degree (but no real projects/skills you could reuse elsewhere), you will struggle to find a new job.

My suggestion would be to look at an industry with potential and infinite growth: telecomms and ISPs are on their way out, as those services are becoming commodity fast and you find that deteriorating businesses trying to improve their core business (communication companies selling financial products or banks offering eCommerce/data). There are just so many bank accounts one can hold or so many cell-phones/data services one can have and costs will go down and with it revenues resulting in eventual retrenchments in those sectors.

I would focus on retail (everyone shops) or healthcare or manufacturing and then plan your career in that industry (rather than focusing on what certificate you should get).
 
Not quite - when you look at university graduates you will find a jobless rate of 10%-25% in Europe (I think Spain borders the 50% mark).

Unemployment of those in Europe with tertiary education: ~8%.
Unemployment 25-64 of those witout high school in Spain: 31.2%
Unemployment 25-64 of those with high school in Spain: 21.9%
Unemployment 25-64 of those with some tertiary education in Spain: 14%

Things are much worse right across Europe without tertiary education. Reference.

A degree does not automatically guarantee that you are very smart or provide productive input into a business.

There is a massive conceptual difference between statistical expectation(what I am discussing), and "automatic guarantees". For the former, you are using a statistic that allows you to reason effectively about the likelihood of various outcomes, for the latter, you are effectively choosing outliers as counterexamples (which always exist, since there are no automatic guarantees - I can guarantee that :p) that suite your hypothesis, and are throwing away all the rest of the data. You can't make sensible choices this way.

I have come across employees in the past who could not code themselves out of a wet paper bag, but had the tenacity to study and score very well in exams. Just because someone has good theoretical skills does not mean that he can apply that knowledge.

If you knew someone who won the lottery, would you tell everyone to invest all their money in lottery tickets? You are reasoning based on what is likely an outlier in a small sample set.

Gaining experience as an eventual certainty is not always the case - the most basic test for this is to ask your staff what they have learned/gained in knowledge today/this week/this month.

I think you missed the point entirely here: We are comparing the experience gained by a single person, let's call him "Joe" for example, in two hypothetical situations: one where he has some work experience, and one where he has only a degree. Both Joe's go to work - 10 years later, both Joe-with-a-degree and Joe-without-a-degree now have experience, but Joe-without-a-degree, still doesn't have a degree.

The reason they get similar experiences, is because they are almost the same person - although depending on the nature of the experience, Joe-with-a-degree may gain even more experience, because he may be able to do work that wasn't accessible to Joe-without-a-degree. If the work doesn't require any of the skills learned in the degree at all, then Joe-without-a-degree will do better, because he has a slight edge on experience. Generally, work that requires a degree pays more, since there is relatively less competition for these positions.

I think a degree will help you nowadays to get hired for your first job, but to be honest if you get fired today and the only thing you have to show on your CV are a few years of work and a degree (but no real projects/skills you could reuse elsewhere), you will struggle to find a new job.

Yes, if you are a loser with or without a degree, you will have trouble finding a job. The important bit, is that if you aren't a loser, a combination of your degree and the nature of your experience will determine how employable you are, and what sort of income you can expect. The intrinsic value of a degree becomes less valuable as you gain experience, however, having the degree in the first place, tends to dictate the nature of your experience throughout your career.
 
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No, obviously... I was just saying, the guy with no degree earns more than both friends with a degree :P

not sure what the point of you saying that is?
Sure it happens, but i would say most of the time, that is not the norm
 
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