China - Taiwan Developments

NarrowBandFtw said:
you MUST ALSO condemn USA's actions in Afghanistan
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Only the USA's actions in Afghanistan? Do the other partners of the 60 nation coalition in Afghanistan legitimised by the UN bear any responsibility?

Or is that just your rabid anti USA stance peeking through?
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
what independent nation are you talking about?

I trust you are aware the UN and the USA in addition to China itself all view Taiwan as China and NOT independent
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And yet China has no say in what Taiwan does, in their laws, or anything else they do. Sounds independent to me no matter the official status is.

China is like that ex-boyfriend who just doesn't get it that his ex is a free person who can make their own decisions, so he goes around and threatens every guy that talks to her. And yet, he doesn't have any say in what she does. Just like China doesn't have any say in what Taiwan does. Otherwise they would just enforce it.

It's just a pity that the soy boys (rest of the world's countries) doesn't have the balls to stand up to this ex.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Taiwan is China, it does not get a vote any more than the Western Cape gets a vote on being independent from South Africa unless South Africa condones it
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Can you quote the post where you said this about the referendum held in Crimea without the support of the Ukrainian government?
 
buka001 said:
1 diplomat flew into Tapei.

Russia sent 1000's of tanks, soldiers, cruise missiles into Ukraine.

This is the same to you?

You LOVE your authoritarian regimes.
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So once the US sends 1000's of tanks, soldiers, cruise missiles into Taiwan, the Chinese can then attack?
 
Cray said:
Can you quote the post where you said this about the referendum held in Crimea without the support of the Ukrainian government?
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Did I claim to be immune to this paradox?

Also ... can you point at any such Taiwan referendum where a majority voted for independence?
 
buka001 said:
1 diplomat flew into Tapei.

Russia sent 1000's of tanks, soldiers, cruise missiles into Ukraine.

This is the same to you?

You LOVE your authoritarian regimes.
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the scale of an invasion does not determine whether or not it is an invasion ... duh

/facepalm
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Did I claim to be immune to this paradox?

Also ... can you point at any such Taiwan referendum where a majority voted for independence?
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There wasn't one, and no, that aren't truly independent, but for all practical purposes, they are, which is why Pelosi wasn't stopped by Chinese immigration officials when entering Taiwan.
 
Cray said:
There wasn't one, and no, that aren't truly independent, but for all practical purposes, they are, which is why Pelosi wasn't stopped by Chinese immigration officials when entering Taiwan.
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and for all practical purposes, and codified in multiple Minsk agreements, Donbass was already independent from Ukraine then as well

trust me, no Ukraine officials stopped Russia from entering Donbass either
 
buka001 said:
They won't send that.
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Of course they won't. They don't need to as they have plenty of air bases in the region.

What I do expect though is increased tension and signs of popular uprising in Taiwan (similar to Hong Kong), with increase of moral support (aka John McCain).

What happens after that, nobody knows.
 
China - an angel or a parasite?

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I can honestly say that in the case of the textile industry - China killed ours.

At first, we honestly believed that SA was just not competitive enough.
We slashed costs, cut jobs, rationalized our products ......

Then some things became clear to us - China and some unscrupulous SA citizens were killing off a whole industry by illegal trade practise - Did we complain - yes. Did this stop China - nope.

What China did when we complained, was to give SA a loan to prop up the industry.

The concept was to pay a small percentage on the value add of any locally manufactured goods, as grant for new machine CAPEX. The system failed for two reasons -
1. the value that the scheme generated was too small for big ticket items. Textile machines are quite complex, and for example, a weaving machine - without the supporting infrastructure - costs just over a R1m each. A tenter frame oven - R30m plus.
2. The DTI would have the company pay for the item first, then refund the money. This is process usually takes around 3 years to complete. It was 3 years the industry couldnt afford.

Today, the industry is in decline, SA sits with the debt - and in toto - SA debt is 85% of its GDP, we are in trouble.

On the other hand, the US gave us AGOA - allowing us to export to the US duty free, quota free. This helped us along, until China opened up in Lesotho and Swaziland, where the wages and labour laws are less onerous, and killed it for us again.

On the back of China investing in SA - we have seen unemployment rise in SA. The textile industry is a casualty of this.

We cant change it - not really - it is what it is. China has won that trade war. China just did a better job with trade and economics than we did. In that respect, the Chinese are quite smart.

Having said that - if China had to stop making textiles and garments tomorrow - we would be in the soup, so we (as a country) have to just carry on with China as our partner unless SA gathers the political will to enforce local manufacturing which comes with its own politics.
Shops like Fashion Fusion bring cheaply made, but affordable clothing to the masses, ex China.
I guess it will take at least a decade to climb out of this hole if we wanted to.

In the meantime, the US textile industry is localizing - and textile folks like me are again in demand, in the US - in fact textile skills are sought after globally as countries pull back on their reliance on China, and India / Pakistan / Turkey have in fact gone on the attack, and are seriously a threat to China, but not in SA.


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NarrowBandFtw said:
and for all practical purposes, and codified in multiple Minsk agreements, Donbass was already independent from Ukraine then as well
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Ah okay, so how did the leaders of this so-called independent country called Donbass get elected? I seem to have missed hearing about the elections.

I mean Taiwan has had plenty of elections over the years yet someone you seem to think that Taiwan and Donabss have similar claims to independence?
 
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