China - Taiwan Developments

NarrowBandFtw said:
outright telling people I'm not immune to the paradox, nor have I claimed to be, is not a f-ing ad hominem

you are slow though: I gave you the answer and yet AGAIN you ask for the comment you were just given?!?

you didn't push anyone into a corner, you were playing pigeon chess, solo, this whole time
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if you're not immune to the paradox, you are in a corner from the point of personal ethics.

Thanks for another ad hominem. It, hypocrisy and ethical fluidity seem to be the basis of your debating style.
 
buka001 said:
Crimea called.

Donbass and Luhansk are on the line as well.
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Crimea wanted to be part of Russia..

The majority of the Taiwanese don't want reunification, but they also prefer the status quo.
 
Nicodeamus said:
Crimea wanted to be part of Russia..
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No, they didn't Nico. What were the referendum results? And you constantly say they just walked out of the naval base and planted a flag making Crimea theirs.

Decide on which version you want to use.
 
Cosmik Debris said:
No, they didn't Nico. What were the referendum results? And you constantly say they just walked out of the naval base and planted a flag making Crimea theirs.

Decide on which version you want to use.
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Crimea in more that one occasion votes to join Russia. The election in the 90, the referendum before annexation, public opinion polls that even thr BBC ran etc.

These all show that they are Russians and want to be part of Russia.
 
Nicodeamus said:
Crimea in more that one occasion votes to join Russia. The election in the 90, the referendum before annexation, public opinion polls that even thr BBC ran etc.

These all show that they are Russians and want to be part of Russia.
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What were the referendum results Nico? Stop the sophistry.
 
Nicodeamus said:
Crimea in more that one occasion votes to join Russia. The election in the 90, the referendum before annexation, public opinion polls that even thr BBC ran etc.

These all show that they are Russians and want to be part of Russia.
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I don't know how this guy can claim Crimea didn't want to be part of Russia. Only the most deluded of naive Westerners think this. They were actually already calling for referendums to decide their fate going back to the break-up of the USSR (Denied by Kiev, with support from Washington).
 
Solarion said:
He's already beaten you sir. He doesn't care about anything you, I or anyone else says. You may as well try to convince your toaster to boil water for you. Like arguing with a machine that has been programmed to perform one task and one task alone. You've already lost.
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You talk to your toaster
 
buchanan8 said:
I don't know how this guy can claim Crimea didn't want to be part of Russia. Only the most deluded of naive Westerners think this. They were actually already calling for referendums to decide their fate going back to the break-up of the USSR (Denied by Kiev, with support from Washington).
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Because of this?

The Crimean status referendum of 2014 was a disputed referendum concerning the status of Crimea, held on March 16, 2014 in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the local government of Sevastopol (both subdivisions of Ukraine).The referendum was approved and held amidst Russia's annexation of Crimea. The referendum asked local populations whether they wanted to rejoin Russia as a federal ...

Same source as Nico's except the facts weren't cherry picked...

en.wikipedia.org

2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
Cosmik Debris said:
Because of this?

The Crimean status referendum of 2014 was a disputed referendum concerning the status of Crimea, held on March 16, 2014 in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the local government of Sevastopol (both subdivisions of Ukraine).The referendum was approved and held amidst Russia's annexation of Crimea. The referendum asked local populations whether they wanted to rejoin Russia as a federal ...

Same source as Nico's except the facts weren't cherry picked...

en.wikipedia.org

2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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I wouldn't trust Wikipedia too much. They are pretty much CIA controlled when it comes to anything contentious or geopolitical. Although even Wikipedia will probably admit that Crimea is overwhelmingly inhabited by Russians who did not wish to be part of Ukraine - especially the post-2014 anti-Russian Ukraine state.

This is pretty good:

A (not so) Brief History of Crimea - Mail Online - Peter Hitchens blog

A (not so) Brief History of Crimea
hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk
 
buchanan8 said:
I wouldn't trust Wikipedia too much. They are pretty much CIA controlled when it comes to anything contentious or geopolitical. Although even Wikipedia will probably admit that Crimea is overwhelmingly inhabited by Russians who did not wish to be part of Ukraine - especially the post-2014 anti-Russian Ukraine state.

This is pretty good:

A (not so) Brief History of Crimea - Mail Online - Peter Hitchens blog

A (not so) Brief History of Crimea
hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk
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But you would trust this guy and the site is also CIA or not?

Peter Jonathan Hitchens (28 October 1951, Malta) is a British journalist, author and broadcaster. He currently writes for the British weekly newspaper, The Mail on Sunday. Hitchens was a former Trotskyist and member of the International Socialists from 1969 to 1975, later joining the British Labour Party from 1979 to 1983.

No bias at all then?

Peter Hitchens - Conservapedia

www.conservapedia.com www.conservapedia.com
 
Cosmik Debris said:
But you would trust this guy and the site is also CIA or not?

Peter Jonathan Hitchens (28 October 1951, Malta) is a British journalist, author and broadcaster. He currently writes for the British weekly newspaper, The Mail on Sunday. Hitchens was a former Trotskyist and member of the International Socialists from 1969 to 1975, later joining the British Labour Party from 1979 to 1983.

No bias at all then?

Peter Hitchens - Conservapedia

www.conservapedia.com www.conservapedia.com
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So what? In his youth he was a Trotskyist (very different from Stalinist). He has commented on it frequently. He grew out of it and has been a long time conservative, not Conservative (He completely rejects the British Tories).
He was also pro-NATO during the Cold War until the break-up of the USSR, but not so much since then.

Anyway the point is that article is crammed with important facts, dates and details that anybody interested in who has claim to Crimea should read.
 
buchanan8 said:
So what? In his youth he was a Trotskyist (very different from Stalinist). He has commented on it frequently. He grew out of it and has been a long time conservative, not Conservative (He completely rejects the British Tories).
He was also pro-NATO during the Cold War until the break-up of the USSR, but not so much since then.

Anyway the point is that article is crammed with important facts, dates and details that anybody interested in who has claim to Crimea should read.
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So, the leopard managed to change its spots, or was it wearing a cloak of opportunism?
 
Cosmik Debris said:
But you would trust this guy and the site is also CIA or not?

Peter Jonathan Hitchens (28 October 1951, Malta) is a British journalist, author and broadcaster. He currently writes for the British weekly newspaper, The Mail on Sunday. Hitchens was a former Trotskyist and member of the International Socialists from 1969 to 1975, later joining the British Labour Party from 1979 to 1983.

No bias at all then?

Peter Hitchens - Conservapedia

www.conservapedia.com www.conservapedia.com
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Today he is a conservative Christian. One of Britain's most conservative writers.
 
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