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I see China going mal driving tanks around and shooting off missiles and marching armies around like a bunch of crazies.

Are you saying that's the response Pelosi was trying to provoke by sleeping over in Taiwan for a few days?

And would you say that that response is warranted and not completely insane and ridiculous?
 
During a presidential news conference in August of 1986, Ronald Reagan reminded Americans of the nine most terrifying words in the English language: "I’m from the Government and I’m here to help."

Well, Speaker Pelosi has uttered four words more terrifying than Reagan’s nine: "America stands with Taiwan."

Pelosi’s statement has been broadcast from nearly every news outlet on the planet, and everyone assumes they know what she meant, but experience would suggest her words should not be taken at face value. So, what do her words actually mean? When an American politician says "We will stand with you," it’s usually code for "We’re going to give you just enough help to let you be defeated by your enemy."

In addition to the current war in Ukraine, there is historical evidence directly related to the history of Taiwan to back-up this thesis.


A case in point is the way America undermined Chang Kai-shek, the founder of modern Taiwan, during the Chinese Civil War. America turned its back on Chang after promising to support him in his fight to defeat the Chinese Communist Party and its leader Mao Zedong.

In 1947, President Harry Truman dispatched George C. Marshall to negotiate a cease fire, and form a coalition government between the Communists and the Nationalists. Marshall’s plan failed miserably, US support for the Nationalists dwindled, and Chang was forced to retreat to the island that was known then as Formosa. Today, we call it Taiwan.

Chang established the Republic of China on the island and laid the foundation that enabled it to become the economic powerhouse it is today. The history lesson for Taiwan is when America says it stands with you it usually means the opposite. Chiang found out the hard way, and it looks as if Taiwan is about to repeat the same mistake.

Another historical example is when President Richard Nixon pursued the policy of Rapprochement with China. He secretly sent Secretary of State Henry Kissinger to China in 1971 to negotiate restoring diplomatic relations between the two countries. While Kissinger was busy in talks with the People’s Republic of China (PRC), the US was working hard to convince the member states of the UN to seat the PRC. The government of Taiwan already had member status at the UN, and were also one of five permanent members of the Security Council. The US wanted the UN to seat delegations from both Communist China and Taiwan.

Conversely, the UN responded with resolution 2758 which stated that the People’s Republic of China was the only legitimate government of China. The resolution also stipulated that Taiwan be replaced by the PRC as a permanent member of the Security Council. Taiwan, and the government of Chiang Kai-shek, were summarily expelled from the United Nations and all other organizations related to it.

Keep in mind, while the US proposed keeping both delegations at the UN, and voted "No" on Resolution 2758, it failed to put up much of a fight when the UN expelled Taiwan. Apparently, this is what it means for "America to stand with Taiwan."

In case there was ever any doubt about exactly where America stood, in 1978 the Carter administration made it crystal clear. In a speech that year President Carter stated, "…there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China." The US has officially supported the "One China" policy ever since even while offering rhetoric to the contrary.

In light of this history, Taiwan should be extremely cautious in dealing with the United States at present. Beyond rhetoric, and sending defensive arms, the US will likely not fight very hard in Taiwan’s defense going forward in spite of Speaker Pelosi’s words. Taiwan, like Ukraine, is caught in the middle of a struggle between two great power countries. It can only win by staying neutral.
 
No, thats you, so far only one of us has told the other to f*** right off.
That might be correct, depending if you understood it right. Maybe you need @HunterNW to explain it to you.

You must be a joy at at parties....:X3:
Tbh, we don't find it joyful discussing people dying in wars at parties. But then again, we prefer braais and laughing at idiotic things idiots do.

Btw, I told a friend twice today to f off. He did not seem as triggered as you are. That was right before he suggested we hold a braai on Sunday. So maybe it's not me, maybe it's you.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
I see China going mal driving tanks around and shooting off missiles and marching armies around like a bunch of crazies.

Are you saying that's the response Pelosi was trying to provoke by sleeping over in Taiwan for a few days?

And would you say that that response is warranted and not completely insane and ridiculous?
She wanted a reaction and she got it
 
Btw, I told a friend twice today to f off. He did not seem as triggered as you are. That was right before he suggested we hold a braai on Sunday. So maybe it's not me, maybe it's you.
Yup, clearly it's me being overly sensitive. I have an idea, go to your local tavern and find a stranger and tell them to "f*** right off", let me know how that goes?
 
CCP has bigger things to worry about right now than taiwan... their own citizens have been rioting at banks for weeks over collapsing housing market(hence the tanks guarding banks etc)
They havent rioted. They refused to pay their mortage bonds crashing the Chinese Housing market.

Same thing happened in the US during their last big stuffup.
 
so its all just screaming and shouting, but China isnt stupid enough to take it further. and start ww3 over this
works for me, China is all about spectacle and illusions, but without actually deciding, f*** it I'm through.

look at Zero Covid Nonsense they tried, made No difference, and actually just made them look like Idiots.
How will they start WW3 if they invade Taiwan. Taiwan isnt really a country, and do you know how far the US ships must travel to provide any support? Quite a long distance.

The Dutch isnt complaining about it, nor the Japanese. The Taiwanese arent really from Taiwan but from Mainland anyway. Well the ones in power that is. The original inhabitants fought for Japan and was Japanese during WW2.

We saw with Hong Kong, there was little the world did.
We saw with Ukraine, most nations would only send arms and not get involved.

With Taiwan, do you think anyone would really care?

Honestly SA supports China, trade with China is worth far more than with Taiwan.

I would honestly just get the popcorn out.

By the way, all the chinese treasures and gold was stolen by the now army of Taiwan after WW2 and smuggled into caves of Taiwan.
 
SA trade with Taiwan about R15 billion a year
SA trade with China about R300 billion a year

Even the US doesnt recognise Taiwan as a seperate country. Most are only pacific islanders, and many are turning their back against Taiwan.
 
How will they start WW3 if they invade Taiwan. Taiwan isnt really a country, and do you know how far the US ships must travel to provide any support? Quite a long distance.

The Dutch isnt complaining about it, nor the Japanese. The Taiwanese arent really from Taiwan but from Mainland anyway. Well the ones in power that is. The original inhabitants fought for Japan and was Japanese during WW2.

We saw with Hong Kong, there was little the world did.
We saw with Ukraine, most nations would only send arms and not get involved.

With Taiwan, do you think anyone would really care?

Honestly SA supports China, trade with China is worth far more than with Taiwan.

I would honestly just get the popcorn out.

By the way, all the chinese treasures and gold was stolen by the now army of Taiwan after WW2 and smuggled into caves of Taiwan.
Will it stop them
 
How will they start WW3 if they invade Taiwan. Taiwan isnt really a country, and do you know how far the US ships must travel to provide any support? Quite a long distance.

The Dutch isnt complaining about it, nor the Japanese. The Taiwanese arent really from Taiwan but from Mainland anyway. Well the ones in power that is. The original inhabitants fought for Japan and was Japanese during WW2.

We saw with Hong Kong, there was little the world did.
We saw with Ukraine, most nations would only send arms and not get involved.

With Taiwan, do you think anyone would really care?

Honestly SA supports China, trade with China is worth far more than with Taiwan.

I would honestly just get the popcorn out.

By the way, all the chinese treasures and gold was stolen by the now army of Taiwan after WW2 and smuggled into caves of Taiwan.

Taiwan provides most of the world's semiconductors, including those being used in the Chinese weapons. Taiwan will blow a big hole into China, unlike Ukraine it has a 70 year long defense tactic.
 
I see China going mal driving tanks around and shooting off missiles and marching armies around like a bunch of crazies.

Are you saying that's the response Pelosi was trying to provoke by sleeping over in Taiwan for a few days?

And would you say that that response is warranted and not completely insane and ridiculous?
#563 explains it well.
 
How will they start WW3 if they invade Taiwan. Taiwan isnt really a country, and do you know how far the US ships must travel to provide any support? Quite a long distance.
Read up on US military and navy presence in the Pacific (Guam, Japan, South Korea).
The ships don't have to travel far. They're already there.

Edit: just a small taste of things
Approximately 375,000 U.S. military and civilian personnel are assigned to the USINDOPACOM area of responsibility. U.S. Pacific Fleet consists of approximately 200 ships (to include five aircraft carrier strike groups), nearly 1,100 aircraft, and more than 130,000 Sailors and civilians dedicated to protecting our mutual security interests. Marine Corps Forces, Pacific includes two Marine Expeditionary Forces and about 86,000 personnel and 640 aircraft assigned. U.S. Pacific Air Forces comprises of approximately 46,000 airmen and civilians and more than 420 aircraft. U.S. Army Pacific has approximately 106,000 personnel from one corps and two divisions, plus over 300 aircraft and five watercraft assigned throughout the AOR from Japan and Korea to Alaska and Hawaii. Of note, component command personnel numbers include more than 1,200 Special Operations personnel. Department of Defense civilian employees in the Indo-Pacific Command AOR number about 38,000.
 
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#563 explains it well.

They go around threatening kak like they're gonna shoot down the plane of the speaker of the house of the US congress (for literally no good reason) and then when they don't do it they start flipping out like a five year old having a tantrum "to save face"?

That makes them look even more pathetic.
 
I see China going mal driving tanks around and shooting off missiles and marching armies around like a bunch of crazies.

Are you saying that's the response Pelosi was trying to provoke by sleeping over in Taiwan for a few days?

And would you say that that response is warranted and not completely insane and ridiculous?

Basically acting like some forumites losing an argument :p
 
Are you a xenu adherent then?

No I’m not, but I’m sure there are many things Xenu adherents could teach me about life and which I could incorporate in mine.

It’s better to be open to understanding and learning from that which we are sceptical of, than being ignorant and closed to it based on a supposed Wikipedia lesson which misses out on so much.
 
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