Chinese hackers stole access control program from Google

Tomo3000 said:
The New York Times is reporting that computer hackers stole a program that controlled access to most of Google's services when they attacked the Internet company late last year.

Chinese hackers stole access control program from Google
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Intereeeesting. I thought it must be something like that. Google has been successfully fending-off attacks for years. Then they get their knickers in a twist by the Chinese doing what no-one in the rest of the world could do. The Chinese may fondly believe that they are hacker Gods but I don’t think they could pull it off without covert help.
 
This sort of thing is an occupational hazard of doing business in China. IP means nothing to them.
 
They have asked google nicely to censor results, google did not listen, now they must feel.
 
Because China gets to make the laws in China and you need to obey the laws in the country you do business in?
 
dj_jyno said:
Why should Google bend over backwards to aid a government in oppressing their people?
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Google don't give a **** about the suffering of a single Chinese. Google only started caring when they were being affected personally.
 
BrendanD said:
Because China gets to make the laws in China and you need to obey the laws in the country you do business in?
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<ahem>. Not quite. It could be argued that the government of a country (any country) is in power by the will of the people. The Chinese population is fairly well educated (not like SA) and resent some clueless mandarin micro-managing their lives. You are contending that the Chinese population (through their government) prefers to have their information censored. I find that hard to believe.
 
I have no idea what you are trying to say. You need to obey the laws of the government in the country you do business in. The will of the people very rarely factors into the equation and in China it certainly doesn't.

A company can't come do business in SA and refuse to pay taxes just because people complain about unfair taxation.
 
BrendanD said:
I have no idea what you are trying to say. You need to obey the laws of the government in the country you do business in. The will of the people very rarely factors into the equation and in China it certainly doesn't.

A company can't come do business in SA and refuse to pay taxes just because people complain about unfair taxation.
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It’s because some sort of moral imperative was implied.

Because China gets to make the laws in China and you need to obey the laws in the country you do business in?
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You are conflating business and morality. If it’s purely business (like running guns to Zim) you need to toe the local government’s line. Google has taken this righteous moral stand about withdrawal (it’s probably profit, but giving the benefit of the doubt) and you should ‘believe’ the professed line. Thus any debate should be from a moral rather than a business (which is not very moral) perspective.
 
dj_jyno said:
Why should Google bend over backwards to aid a government in oppressing their people?
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Yeah, they can use Bing then ffs - google don't have to change anything because others don't like it.

BrendanD said:
I have no idea what you are trying to say. You need to obey the laws of the government in the country you do business in. The will of the people very rarely factors into the equation and in China it certainly doesn't.

A company can't come do business in SA and refuse to pay taxes just because people complain about unfair taxation.
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yes, but google is a website - are we allowed to tell chinese search engine "Bughaui-Search" that we in South Africa want to censor all searches related to Boerewors?
 
Keeper, yes, we can if they base their business here.

A censorship law is a law just like any other.
 
Negate said:
They have asked google nicely to censor results, google did not listen, now they must feel.
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Screw that. Google should have told them to get stuffed in the first place. If it was my business I would not be bowing to China's oppressive laws. The truth is more important than money.

Google's mistake was not that they changed their minds... it was that they agreed to it in the first place.
 
BrendanD said:
Keeper, yes, we can if they base their business here.

A censorship law is a law just like any other.
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But if you ‘circumvented’ this law because you felt that people should be able to search for boerewors (or anything) I wouldn’t get outraged by it. Legally it may be wrong but it has no moral sting. Besides, SA has a myriad of contradictory and biased laws which I have no compunction about circumventing (I regard myself as a moral person, not necessarily a law abiding one). That kind of ‘law’ is not moral and they are intended to advantage one group at the expense of another. Maybe Google feels the same way about Chinese censorship?
 
I agree that the censorship laws are evil but Google knew about them when they entered the market because the money to be made there is worth more than a boycott.
 
BrendanD said:
I agree that the censorship laws are evil but Google knew about them when they entered the market because the money to be made there is worth more than a boycott.
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By that logic (I am not attacking) – The Rule of Law – apartheid laws were right. Or is it apartheid law was bad but ANC law is good. What about the American’s who are obsessed with the ‘Rule of Law’. You can be a psychopathic mass murderer and get off on a ‘technicality’. Yet if a relative extracts justice by gunning down the murderer on the courthouse steps he is tried for murder. And America is trying to impose their ideology on a country where Blackwater can get-off on a technicality. Lessee, adopt the superior American system which allows the murderers of my family to get-off on a ‘technicality’. Yeah, right.
 
Palimino, apartheid laws were wrong but companies doing business here still had to abide by them or face punishment.
 
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