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The relationship between Homo sapiens and the other primates.

[video=youtube;zi8FfMBYCkk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk[/video]
 
Interesting, now explain the how and why of the fusion.
 
wily me said:
Interesting, now explain the how and why of the fusion.
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Why? - we just don't know enough about every aspect of our genome and the genomes of apes to say.

How? - stuff like this is happening all the time. Errors in replication are surprisingly common. Most modern organisms today have molecular mechanisms in place to resolve these problems but even those fail every now and then.
 
porchrat said:
Why? - we just don't know enough about every aspect of our genome and the genomes of apes to say.

How? - stuff like this is happening all the time. Errors in replication are surprisingly common. Most modern organisms today have molecular mechanisms in place to resolve these problems but even those fail every now and then.
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So it's not "prove at all" only another notion? ;)
 
darksidehippo said:
It is good to see some honest Christian scientists. Captivating video.
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ZOMG I hope Porchrat reported this. Your innuendo is well noted.

porchrat said:
You are welcome to offer another scientific explanation for the observations. ;)
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You are also welcome to show that it wasn't genetic splicing by aliens instead of just asserting evolutiondidit™. :)
 
Swa said:
ZOMG I hope Porchrat reported this. Your innuendo is well noted.
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Got to agree with you here. He is implying that most Scientists that are Christians are dishonest. This has not been my experience. Well spotted.


You are also welcome to show that it wasn't genetic splicing by aliens instead of just asserting evolutiondidit™. :)
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Got to be testable to be scientific I'm afraid.
 
porchrat said:
Nah ToE is falsifiable. Valid science.
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Not the ToE, the assertion that the chromosomal merge was because evolutiondidit™. It's unfalsifiable as much as aliensdidit™, fairiesdidit™, gnomesdidit™ etc.
 
Geriatrix said:
Are you saying it's there by accident?
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No I'm saying that it's wrong to think of it in terms of humans having chimp DNA. As DNA is an information carrier performing a predictable function information theory stipulates humans and chimps will have similar DNA if similar functions are required. We actually expect a similarity otherwise our understanding of DNA as an information carrier is flawed.
 
Swa said:
No I'm saying that it's wrong to think of it in terms of humans having chimp DNA. As DNA is an information carrier performing a predictable function information theory stipulates humans and chimps will have similar DNA if similar functions are required. We actually expect a similarity otherwise our understanding of DNA as an information carrier is flawed.
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Ah, so our DNA is in fact so closely related and similar to each other in function that it could almost be confused for one another. What's also interesting is that subsections or compound units of said code can be traced back through other primate species in varying degrees. Looking at the overall pattern of dispersion these creates throughout different branches suggests something very interesting as well. Particularly when you consider some ERV distributions.
 
Swa said:
Not the ToE, the assertion that the chromosomal merge was because evolutiondidit™. It's unfalsifiable as much as aliensdidit™, fairiesdidit™, gnomesdidit™ etc.
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Interesting how you didn't include goddidit™...

This is a very old video, trying to think how many years ago I saw it. Still very valid though.

If I remember correctly, this was used in a court to prevent the teaching of creationism in public schools, gotta love it when forum experts know more than this guy.

If only there were forum experts in the court to argue with him then he would have lost and creationism would have been taught.

Let's look at the first line of the evolution wiki article?

Evolution is any change across successive generations in the inherited characteristics of biological populations."
According to that line, evolution did do it™
 
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Swa said:
Not the ToE, the assertion that the chromosomal merge was because evolutiondidit™. It's unfalsifiable as much as aliensdidit™, fairiesdidit™, gnomesdidit™ etc.
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It is another observation predicted by the ToE. Had the merge not been present the ToE would have been falsified. At the very least the part that said we shared a common ancestor with the other great apes would have been in serious trouble if not been discarded entirely. I shouldn't have to tell you this even the video said this much (the video you should have watched if you genuinely wanted to take part in the thread).

Had that merge not been present "aliensdidit™, fairiesdidit™, gnomesdidit™ etc." would NOT have been falsified because those are not science... they are magick.

ToE = falsifiable
ToE = science

I know you don't like it but if you wish to be honest with yourself you must accept it.
 
These changes are part of evolution.

Like the origin of species, Darwin never states where the single cell came from, there are favored scientific hypotheses but if you don't like them, blame your God, ewoks or Charlie Sheen.
 
porchrat said:
It is another observation predicted by the ToE. Had the merge not been present the ToE would have been falsified. At the very least the part that said we shared a common ancestor with the other great apes would have been in serious trouble if not been discarded entirely. I shouldn't have to tell you this even the video said this much (the video you should have watched if you genuinely wanted to take part in the thread).

Had that merge not been present "aliensdidit™, fairiesdidit™, gnomesdidit™ etc." would NOT have been falsified because those are not science... they are magick.

ToE = falsifiable
ToE = science

I know you don't like it but if you wish to be honest with yourself you must accept it.
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No they are "magick" because they are unfalsifiable. By claiming those are unfalsifiable because they are magic you make an a priori assertion that only a materialist explanation is allowed. Believe it or not I just read something from a scientist who believes he CAN make a scientific claim that God doesn't exist. With people like you and him that want to be the self appointed flag bearers of science it's no wonder it's in a state of crisis.

You are also wrong on your view of the ToE. Assuming it's falsifiable this does not extend down to all claims made from it. If it did you can make any claim no matter how ridiculous and it would be science. Individual claims have to be falsifiable as well and THAT extends up to the ToE to make it falsifiable. So show us how the claim that it was a random mutation that merged the chromosomes is falsifiable.
 
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