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@Jade @ Absolute Hosting , will disagree on "Top Level Engineers" at places like DD

There are top guys there, but you are unlikely to encounter them on a day to day. Places like DD, BCX etc get a bad rap for having useless resources. The problem is that they are big, there are only so many good resources available and you have to dilute your pool.
Where I used to work, at one stage we had around a 1 in 10 engineers was a CCIE (8 CCIE's for 80 engineers). When we grew, it diluted something crazy. CCIE's moved on or became non technical, we couldnt afford the rising cost of resources and you have to get young guys and skill them up.

One of the problems when the business grows is the skill set dilutes unless you are making crazy money and can afford to keep hiring the best continuously

 

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but dont places like DD only employ people with certs ? So the question is how many of those certificate people that are employed at the companies are paper ccna's ?

They do, they tend to supply mid level engineers, with senior engineers consulting and providing specialised support. It's the way on the job training goes.

I cannot deny the skill and quality of work of the senior guys though. They are experts (my experience with those I dealt with) and really do deliver, but often tender or contract clauses leave their hands tied a bit.

That's why technical work and account/contract management/sales don't really mix well.

"I can help you, this is what you need to do, but due to this and this, I've been instructed to not get involved."

 

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but dont places like DD only employ people with certs ? So the question is how many of those certificate people that are employed at the companies are paper ccna's ?

You're basically a paper CCNA even if you attended class and wrote exams. Experience is gold. I remember I was so chuffed when I did my MCSE. First day on the job, of my first job ever, desktop support obviously LOL. My first call was to share a printer with 3 office staff.

Boom. Blank. Went back to the office ("I'm going to fetch a driver disk") and asked one of the other guys to refresh my memory.

I will never forget that

 

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You simply cannot absorb all you need in that week.

We were sent to torqueit back in the day for cisco courses coming out our yazoo, we wrote the exams on the fri afternoon right after the course finished. CCNA we did via self study though. We had internal lab based exams periodically which were harder than any Cisco exams we did.

 

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We were sent to torqueit back in the day for cisco courses coming out our yazoo, we wrote the exams on the fri afternoon right after the course finished. CCNA we did via self study though. We had internal lab based exams periodically which were harder than any Cisco exams we did.

Which courses though and what background did you have
I dont think anyone, who goes to learn their CCNA with little to no experience, will pass the exam after a week at torque IT

I found the CCNA, the 640-802 exam very hard as a new person to the industry. The CCDE LAB exam is probably the most taxing out of the lot, I think more because of how they present the content, but its hard to pass, and its hard to pass if you are thinking from a real world, technical person.

My point is that, maybe as a refresher or a finisher, a week course has some kind of benefit, but as someone who actually wants to learn and know the content in a meaningful way, most 1 week courses wont cut it and are ludicrously overpriced. Even if you get the cert at the end of it, i would guess they taught you how to pass the exam, but not to understand the content