Class inequality a problem in SA

[LazyLion]

Class inequality has become the greatest impediment to national reconciliation, a barometer survey by the Institute for Justice and Reconciliation (IJR) has found.

"It [the report] lists six overarching social issues, of which class was most commonly identified as the most divisive (27.9 percent), with race dropping to fourth place (14.6 percent)," it said in a statement on Wednesday.

The SA Reconciliation Barometer Survey (Sarb) proposed a renewed concept of "radical reconciliation" to highlight the link between the need for material transformation in conjunction with psychological bridge building.

"As South Africa moves into its 20th year of democracy and prepares for its fifth national election, the report focuses on current issues of social, political and economic exclusion," the IJR said.

The survey indicated that in 2013, citizens felt less trusting of national leaders.

Results showed a 10.8 percent decrease in citizens' confidence in national government since 2012. There had been a 13 percent increase in the proportion of citizens who believed the government did not care about "people like them".

The survey found that ordinary citizens showed the highest confidence in religious institutions (67 percent) and the public protector (64.4 percent), and the lowest confidence in political parties (45.2 percent) and the police (47.9 percent).

The Sarb survey was conducted via face-to-face interviews in all nine provinces, using a questionnaire developed by the IJR that included around 100 survey items.


Source : Sapa /mar/jk/jje/cls
Date : 04 Dec 2013 14:38

 

[Fulcrum29]

SA is not Monaco, and even they have levels in class groups.

Inequality will always exist...

 

[w1z4rd]

SA is not Monaco, and even they have levels in class groups.

Inequality will always exist...

And the bigger that gap the worse off the society becomes. SA and Mexico are prime examples of this.

 

[Fulcrum29]

And the bigger that gap the worse off the society becomes. SA and Mexico are prime examples of this.

Under these conditions, we managed to be a newly industrialized country, so are Mexico and others. But, yes, issues remain and your statement is 100% correct, the larger the gap the worse our society.

When can we start with proper education?

 

[w1z4rd]

Under these conditions, we managed to be a newly industrialized country, so are Mexico and others. But, yes, issues remain and your statement is 100% correct, the larger the gap the worse our society.

Under these conditions we also have one of the highest rape and murder stats in the world. Under these conditions poverty is not decreasing. Under these conditions our educational system is a failure.

When can we start with proper education?

When we have a (slightly) left of centre, responsible, transparent and accountable government.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Under these conditions we also have one of the highest rape and murder stats in the world. Under these conditions poverty is not decreasing. Under these conditions our educational system is a failure.



When we have a (slightly) left of centre, responsible, transparent and accountable government.

I believe that every upstanding citizen is aware about the national conditions. What I tried to point out is that SA is heading in a positive direction economy wise as an emerging market, which may provide opportunities. Then we have unemployment and the case in the article (inequality) which are an economic problem, coupled with your mentioned conditions.

The solution I want is the part I bolded in your reply.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

...and yet there are many counter examples of countries with high levels of inequality but low rape and murder statistics.

It is not a simple correlation.

 

[w1z4rd]

...and yet there are many counter examples of countries with high levels of inequality but low rape and murder statistics.

:erm: South Africa has the highest levels of inequality according to the UN (my city is rated as the most unequal in the world), so you are misrepresenting the situation. The problem comes when you have massive wealth, next to massive poverty. (ie, South Africa, and Mexico)

What you are mistaking as inequality are countries, normally with dictators who brutally suppress the people where the huge majority of the population is equally poor. Those do tend to be less violent societies. In fact, many of the south american countries are rated the happiest in the world, even though they exist in poverty.

It is not a simple correlation.

Yeah, if you make up stuff like you did.

 

[RyanPCMR]

I love my country, South Africa! People make a country and I am glad to try and project a positive outlook towards people that I meet during my normal day to day activities.

 

[Albereth]

And the bigger that gap the worse off the society becomes. SA and Mexico are prime examples of this.

It's trying to close the gap that causes the problem. Signing the Magna Carta was a huge mistake.

 

[Alan]

...and yet there are many counter examples of countries with high levels of inequality but low rape and murder statistics.

It is not a simple correlation.

They solution is easy enough though. Empower the state to simply take from the rich and give to the poor.

Problem solved.

 

[Arthur]

Mmm. Sounds like there's a Marxist or two working at the SA Reconciliation Barometer Survey. Onward the Class Struggle!

 

[2026]

They solution is easy enough though. Empower the state to simply take from the rich and give to the poor.

Problem solved.

We already have that, it's called "tax".

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

:erm: South Africa has the highest levels of inequality according to the UN (my city is rated as the most unequal in the world), so you are misrepresenting the situation. The problem comes when you have massive wealth, next to massive poverty. (ie, South Africa, and Mexico)

What you are mistaking as inequality are countries, normally with dictators who brutally suppress the people where the huge majority of the population is equally poor. Those do tend to be less violent societies. In fact, many of the south american countries are rated the happiest in the world, even though they exist in poverty.


Yeah, if you make up stuff like you did.

When I have the time, I will make a simple graph measuring the Gini coefficient and rape statistics. You'll see it is not so simple.

Btw, when is rape a crime related to poverty? :erm:. It's more about power and culture.