Clever? No, dolphins are dim and violent

porchrat said:
You need to watch more Animal Planet. The Galápagos tortoise takes around 25 years to mature in captivity. In the wild they take about 40 years. Leaves us humans in the dust.
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Hmmmm. Clearly Galápagos tortoises aren't animals either
:p
 
joelus said:
Mostly, yes. Especially the definition.
And yes, I do consider humans to be animals on the same evolutionary tree.
But there are important differences between humans and other animals, enough so that we could define humans as being in a category of their own if we so chose to
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All animals have something unique about them that separates them from the rest. It is upon that very basis that we are able to categorise them.
 
You know what. I'm starting to think joelus is one of these sneaky dolphins and that he has infiltrated this thread in an attempt to derail it to take attention away from his sociopathic aquatic brethren.
 
joelus said:
Mostly, yes. Especially the definition.
And yes, I do consider humans to be animals on the same evolutionary tree.
But there are important differences between humans and other animals, enough so that we could define humans as being in a category of their own if we so chose to
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Derail:

You reminded me of this lol

But there are several other very important differences
Between human beings and animals that you should know about
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http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/bloodhoundgang/thebadtouch.html
 
porchrat said:
You know what. I'm starting to think joelus is one of these sneaky dolphins and that he has infiltrated this thread in an attempt to derail it to take attention away from his sociopathic aquatic brethren.
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[video=youtube;IJH5AR0CuRI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJH5AR0CuRI[/video]

Perhaps this happened to Joelus?
 
joelus said:
Definition: Animals are non-human members of the kingdom Animalia.
Humans have language, abstract thought, morals, extremely slow rate of maturation, souls and gods. For example
Animals don't have any of these things
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Humans are intellectual animals. I.e., intellectual animals have the power to intellectually abstract universals from particulars. James Franklin describes it as “an ability to abstract universals and understand their relations”. This is what differentiates intellectual animals from other non-intellectual animals.
 
I heard dolphins are the only other animal apart from human beings that is self aware and will realize that they are looking at themselves when looking in a mirror. I dont think the fact that they are capable of violent and dominant behaviour means that they are less inteligent than what we previously thought. If anything ... it might just mean that like humans ...... they have a very ugly side. Or maybe the incident the aritcle talks about of a male mounting another male violently just means it was a gay couple that is inot hte BDSM scene .... who knows. :-)
 
Ockie said:
I heard dolphins are the only other animal apart from human beings that is self aware and will realize that they are looking at themselves when looking in a mirror. I dont think the fact that they are capable of violent and dominant behaviour means that they are less inteligent than what we previously thought. If anything ... it might just mean that like humans ...... they have a very ugly side. Or maybe the incident the aritcle talks about of a male mounting another male violently just means it was a gay couple that is inot hte BDSM scene .... who knows. :-)
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Quite a lot of mammals can recognise themselves in the mirror.

Magpies are regarded as the only non-mammalian animals capable of recognising themselves in the mirror. They are part of the Corvidae family along with ravens and crows. Corvidae are very intelligent with a brain to body weight ratio similar to, that of humans and dolphins. They have been known to use tools and all sorts of crazy stuff.
 
Ockie said:
Stop projecting .... it is terribly unattractive :mad:

:p
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:D

Oh now that I think about it. You are also attracted to bright shiny stuff. So basically you're a combo Dolpin/magpie :p

Oh and I won't comment on the violent male/male mounting BDSM stuff :whistle:
 
India: Dolphins declared non-human persons 05.08.2013

Cetaceans should be regarded as non-human persons with their own rights and therefore it is morally unacceptable to keep them in captivity - this is the new ruling by the Government of India, which in a landmark decision has taken an important first step in establishing global animal welfare rights.

The decision was taken by India's Minister of the Environment and Forests, who banned dolphin shows. All Indian states have been warned by the Government to reject proposals to hold dolphin shows or open dolphinariums, be these requests public or private.

The Central Animal Authority issued the following statement: "Cetaceans...should be seen as 'non-human persons' and as such should have their own specific rights." The direct result is that dolphin parks which have opened recently in India will close and proposals for new ones will be shelved. The move makes it illegal to capture or confine cetacean species, which include whales and dolphins, the reasoning being that these animals are highly intelligent and sensitive.

India thus takes an important first step in establishing a universal code of animal ethics and rights. The heroine in this ruling is Puja Mitra, a leading Indian animal rights activist, whose research drive focused on, and introduced, the concept of non-human persons. Other countries to have banned the use of cetaceans for entertainment are Costa Rica, Hungary and Chile.

The work of marine scientist Lori Marino has revealed that cetaceans have large brains and complex behavior and advanced, intricate systems of communication and cognition.

For those who go to a dolphin show, just remember this question: Do you know how dolphins are captured? Most often, they are driven to waters where they cannot swim, the unmarked ones are hauled on to vessels to be carted off to dolphinariums to perform in freak shows and the others are wither hacked to pieces, or left to die.
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http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/05-08-2013/125310-dolphins_india-0/
 
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