Cliff - Right or Wrong?

Did Gareth Cliff overstep the line in terms of how far one can go on-air?

  • No

    Votes: 85 76.6%

  • Unsure

    Votes: 5 4.5%

  • Yes

    Votes: 21 18.9%
  • Total voters
    111
None so blind as those who do not wish to see...

If you want to be willfully ignorant about the whole thing instead of applying some grey matter to the issue, that's your choice. However, I'm not going to waste my time any further.
 
As organised religion falls further and further back in the struggle between religion and science practitioners of those religions become more and more defensive. This is symptomatic of that. Whether freedom of speech extends to radio Dj's is another argument but in terms of the furore: expect to see it more and more as science continues to tear down walls of ignorance.

Oh and flame away.
 
Soulsnatcher said:
Give me a Bible book and verse where it says exactly woman are a man's property
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While this concept predates your religion.. ask and though shalt recieve

""I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."--Genesis 3:16"

"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."--1 Tim. 2:11-14

Neeeeext!
 
Xarog said:
None so blind as those who do not wish to see...

If you want to be willfully ignorant about the whole thing instead of applying some grey matter to the issue, that's your choice. However, I'm not going to waste my time any further.
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Same applies to you Xarog. It does, however seem like a waste of time for both you and I and Gavin.

You choose to extract biased links/quotes/misqoutes from bible in my opinion to prove your point.

I provide proof Gavin's article is biased based on author's stance on religion and it is rubbish with a rebuttle of content??? pointless

I choose to extract links/quotes/misquotes from bible in your opinion to prove my point from biblical/christianity affiliated sites

Round and Round we go

Pointless!

My option on the Whole Gareth thing was unsure btw... not that it matters as that topic was looooooong forgotten it seems...

I'm actually with you and Gavin in that the uproar from religious people was way over the top but, but he was crude and insensitive and repurcussions was to be expected due to him being rude...
 
Next Wizard, would be to put it into context as Adam also got punished for the garden of eden thing... not only Eve... furthermore a woman has no authority over man sure, but how can you conclude a man's authority over a woman is so as that she is property? He is merely the head of the family...

Context please, context
 
Heres some more reading on what the Bible has to say for our female forumites

Genesis 2:22 Woman created from Adam's rib
3:16 Woman cursed: maternity a sin, marriage a bondage
19:1-8 Rape virgins instead of male angels

Exodus 20:17 Insulting Tenth Commandment, considering a wife to be property
21:7-11 Unfair rules for female servants, may be sex slaves
22:18 "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"
38:8 Women may not enter tabernacle they must support

Leviticus 12:1-14 Women who have sons are unclean 7 days
12:4-7 Women who have daughters are unclean 14 days
15:19-23 Menstrual periods are unclean
19:20-22 If master has sex with engaged woman, she shall be scourged

Numbers 1:2 Poll of people only includes men
5:13-31 Barbaric adulteress test
31:16-35 "Virgins" listed as war booty

Deuteronomy 21:11-14 Rape manual
22:5 Abomination for women to wear men's garments, vice-versa
22:13-21 Barbaric virgin test
22:23-24 Woman raped in city, she & her rapist both stoned to death
22:28-29 Woman must marry her rapist
24:1 Men can divorce woman for "uncleanness," not vice-versa
25:11-12 If woman touches foe's penis, her hand shall be cut off

Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah's nameless daughter sacrificed
19:22-29 Concubine sacrificed to rapist crowd to save man

I Kings 11:1-4 King Solomon had 700 wives & 300 concubines

Job 14:1-4 "Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one . . ."

Proverbs 7:9-27 Evil women seduce men, send them to hell
11:22 One of numerous Proverbial putdowns

Isaiah 3:16-17 God scourges, rapes haughty women

Ezekiel 16:45 One of numerous obscene denunciations

Matthew 24:19 "[woe] to them that are with child"

Luke 2:22 Mary is unclean after birth of Jesus

I Corinthians 11:3-15 Man is head of woman; only man in God's image
14:34-35 Women keep in silence, learn only from husbands

Ephesians 5:22-33 "Wives, submit . . ."

Colossians 3:18 More "wives submit"

I Timothy 2:9 Women adorn selves in shamefacedness
2:11-14 Women learn in silence in all subjection; Eve was sinful, Adam blameless
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this tread reminds me of a couple of people who mentioned God's name "out of context" and the rest is history.

Karma people Karma ;)
 
:rolleyes:As Xarog said, pointless, if you choose not to see and think about it wizard... If a woman was nothing and only property why would God Choose Mary, a woman which is nothing in your debate towards christianity, to bring forth the saviour of man i.e. Jesus? Why not let him just descend from the heavens??? Why not make him "appear" rather than to bear the ignonimity of being born out of a woman's womb according to your debate? Why is there more reference to Mary (who is Joseph's property :rolleyes:) than Joseph?

Pointless and enough time wasted...

Goodbye
 
Its getting hot in here........
 
Soulsnatcher said:
:rolleyes:As Xarog said, pointless, if you choose not to see and think about it wizard... If a woman was nothing and only property why would God Choose Mary, a woman which is nothing in your debate towards christianity, to bring forth the saviour of man i.e. Jesus? Why not let him just descend from the heavens??? Why not make him "appear" rather than to bear the ignonimity of being born out of a woman's womb according to your debate? Why is there more reference to Mary (who is Joseph's property :rolleyes:) than Joseph?

Pointless and enough time wasted...

Goodbye
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Yeah it is all rather confusing and contradictory is it not? Dont blame you for being confused.
 
icyrus said:
Just from my experience: religious people are more likely to be pedophiles.

What an utterly stupid and pointless way to make an argument.
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Er...Gavin doesn't believe there is a God. I gave some proof on how God has improved people's lives and guides them on so-called "peer pressure" issues. Not pointless at all.
 
w1z4rd said:
Yeah it is all rather confusing and contradictory is it not? Dont blame you for being confused.
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Why oh why did i know you were going to resort to such immaturish responses... Does really give away your capacity in forming a civilised intellectual debate. 6000 odd posts clearly hasn't taught you that yet... We can only hope...

Gonna stop replying now so feel free to bashing me and name calling as i won't respond anymore okay... It is safe, promise.

Bye bye now.
 
GavinMannion said:
oh joy I see this is still going on...

What did I miss ;)
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I have no idea to be honest. For some reason my posts where considered offensive and childish even though they were basically just quotes from the Bible. I really dont think I was attacking anything, simply pointing out the information he asked me for. :confused:
 
Hello BACK TO TOPIC::::::::::

Has anyone seen or signed this ridiculous petition going around about canning Gareth?
 
nope..

Also when will people realise that email petitions are deleted as soon as they arrive at their destination... I received one the other day and the last signatory was a 4 month old baby.... Which means the other 1000 signatures could also be fake....

Please don't waste our precious bandwidth by ever signing one. They really are just ignored.. no matter how horrible the reason for the petition.
 
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