Colonial Monument Removed in Windhoek!

supersunbird said:
The one on the engli... oh wait!
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Yeah, I was going to say, if they're guilty of genocide they need to stop bitching about the concentration camps. Funny thing is I can't seem to think of any genocides that the Boers committed.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
It is not about genocide, it is about post-apartheid retribution and the reasoning behind the motive.
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Ja, but the voortrekkers didn't invent apartheid. I don't even think they were particularly racist by the standard of their day. They didn't steal any land that I'm aware of and they generally asked before settling. Gunning for Afrikaaner heritage because of apartheid is just plain vindictive. The Boers/Afrikaaner/Voortrekkers were settlers not colonists.
 
Nick333 said:
Ja, but the voortrekkers didn't invent apartheid. I don't even think they were particularly racist by the standard of their day. They didn't steal any land that I'm aware of and they generally asked before settling. Gunning for Afrikaaner heritage because of apartheid is just plain vindictive. The Boers/Afrikaaner/Voortrekkers were settlers not colonists.
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You are correct, but I am highlighting the opinion others have.

I mentioned two SA monuments due to a reason and then threw Pretoria into the mix.

  • The ANC made the Voortrekker monument a heritage site which was built to honour Blood River, then immediately raised concern to rename Pretoria.
  • Pretoria is named to honour a Voortrekker leader Andries Pretorius, and carries intertwined history with the Voortrekker and independence.
  • The Taal is an endorsed apartheids government language since 5 May 1925.
To a large group in individuals, our history carries very little weight, bother that they don’t even know the history to start with. That is why I said this:

There are so many [opinion] articles on this topic going around by certain Forumnites here on MyBB.
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Opinions vs Facts (reality)
 
I have no problem with the removal of the statue, especially given what it represents.
It doesn't erase the facts from history though.
 
Mortymoose said:
Meanwhile north of the border, the SWAPO gov waited till the middle of the night on Christmas Eve to remove a monument from the middle of the capital....


"The Reiterdenkmal, the bronze statue of a German cavalryman overlooking Windhoek, was moved from in front of the Alte Feste on Christmas night. Media and residents could not get access to the site yesterday (25 December) as all roads to it were cordoned off. The statue was inaugurated on 27 January 1912, and erected in honour of German soldiers and civilians who died in the 1904-1908 Namibian genocide
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Nick333 said:
I think before this turns into another bun fight, let's consider that given the history that statue commemorates that it's continued existence is analogous to a statue of a proud SS storm trooper being tolerated in Jerusalem.
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HideInLight said:
So that's actually a Nazi statue.
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God help us when seemingly literate people with the skill to use a computer don't seem to know when Nazism began.... Don't they teach World War 2 in history anymore?

Hint, that statue predates the birth of Nazism by over 20 years....
 
Dave123 said:
God help us when seemingly literate people with the skill to use a computer don't seem to know when Nazism began.... Don't they teach World War 2 in history anymore?

Hint, that statue predates the birth of Nazism by over 20 years....
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Continuity between the Herero Genocide and the Holocaust

The Herero genocide has commanded the attention of historians who study complex issues of continuity between the Herero Genocide and the Holocaust.[99] It is argued that the Herero genocide set a precedent in Imperial Germany to later be followed by Nazi Germany's establishment of death camps.[100][101]

According to Benjamin Madley, the German experience in South West Africa was a crucial precursor to Nazi colonialism and genocide. He argues that personal connections, literature, and public debates served as conduits for communicating colonialist and genocidal ideas and methods from the colony to Germany.[102] Tony Barta, an honorary research associate at La Trobe University Melbourne,[clarification needed] argues that the Herero Genocide was an inspiration for Hitler in his war against the Jews.[103]

According to Clarence Lusane, Eugen Fischer's medical experiments can be seen as a testing ground for later medical procedures used during the Nazi Holocaust.[69] Fischer later became chancellor of the University of Berlin, where he taught medicine to Nazi physicians.[78] One of his prominent students was Josef Mengele, the doctor who performed genetic experiments on Jewish children at the Auschwitz concentration camp.[104] Ben Kiernan, the director of the Genocide Studies Programme at Yale University, pointed out that Eugen Fischer was not the only person who took part in both genocides. Franz Ritter von Epp, who was later responsible for the liquidation of all Bavarian Jews and Roma[dubious – discuss] as governor of Bavaria, took part in the Herero genocide as well.[105]

Mahmood Mamdani argues that the links between the Holocaust and the Herero Genocide are beyond the execution of an annihilation policy and the establishment of concentration camps and that there are ideological similarities in the conduct of both genocides. Focusing on a written statement by General Trotha translated as:
“ I destroy the African tribes with streams of blood... Only following this cleansing can something new emerge, which will remain. [106] ”

Mamdani takes note of the similarity between the aims of the General and the Nazis. According to Mamdani in both cases there was a Social Darwinist notion of "cleansing" after which "something new" would "emerge".[78]
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Looks like Hitler had teachers.
 
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