Computer Wholesalers SA

[Heinie_V]

Hi guys

Is anybody here using Computer Wholesalers SA as a supplier or alternative to some suppliers?

I have been registered with them since 2010 and always received good service until 2016.

My last 4 orders was not a happy experience and delivery times were awful, waiting 3 to 4 weeks from date of payment until ordered products are delivered.

The thing that got me really unhappy is my last order and I do not know what to do anymore.

On 17 March I ordered components valued over R20 000. On said date of payment products was in stock with supplier and prices was correct as per the quote I received that day.

After a lot of emails and follow ups on 20 April I was notified that due to the economic climate that have encountered financial difficulties and there orders are delayed. I cannot believe this as I have paid up front for orderded products. I was given the option that I can either wait till they can get stock of products again or I can get a refund.

I chose the option to be refunded and this was agreed upon by the person I was directed to speak to.

As from 26 April I have not received a refund, received any communication from CWSA and nobody is replying my emails that I send them to try and find out what is going on.

I am unable to order these producs from another place or shop until they refund me so I am getting more irritated by the day.

Any advise would be greatly appreciated

I am beginning to wonder if a situation like this can be classisfied as fraud or theft as money was paid but products are not being delivered after almost 2 months.

 

[mobber]

Get involved with a proper supplier. I used to have a IT shop in Pietersburg and used suppliers in Gauteng. . Used overnight courier service and just included the costs in the final invoice. Made an incorrect payment to Recton, R46000 in stead of R 4600. Spoke to my account manager, they paid back difference into my account within 3 days. At this stage a quote on hardware from suppliers is a day to day business.

Regarding the criminality of the situation, I would go out on a limb and say your problem is contractual at best. They are welshing on the refund, not refusing to pay. Without being pessimistic, I have a bad feeling that they do not have the money to repay. If that is the case, use a lawyer. A criminal charge will not get your payment back to reorder in time. The online guys do not carry stock, they source from proper suppliers. Ending in the same predicament as yours, stock ordered, out of stock, out of solutions except stiffing you the unsuspecting client. I read their website, I rest my case.

Try joining Esquire. They actually allow MyBB members to order. It is actually a schlep to apply for accounts, but much easier to apply for a cash only account.

 

[Heinie_V]

The online guys do not carry stock, they source from proper suppliers. Ending in the same predicament as yours, stock ordered, out of stock, out of solutions except stiffing you the unsuspecting client. I read their website, I rest my case.

Try joining Esquire. They actually allow MyBB members to order. It is actually a schlep to apply for accounts, but much easier to apply for a cash only account.

They are not a online shop. They are the middle man between the buyer and the suppliers like Rectron, Esquire etc. The order that I am still waiting for is actually a Rectron order that I ordered through CWSA.

I do have a account with Esquire and after this experience I am busy registering with the other suppliers as well.

 

[Lament]

They are not a online shop. They are the middle man between the buyer and the suppliers like Rectron, Esquire etc. The order that I am still waiting for is actually a Rectron order that I ordered through CWSA.

I do have a account with Esquire and after this experience I am busy registering with the other suppliers as well.

Esquire is expensive. i find parts are generally cheaper on "Wootware".

Wish i could get a Rectron and Sahara account :-/

 

[mobber]

Esquire is expensive. i find parts are generally cheaper on "Wootware".

Wish i could get a Rectron and Sahara account :-/

Yeah, Rectron is quite tight as*ed with their accounts. The whole tutti, business bank accounts, VAT registration, statement regarding your business stability etc. A boatload of admin, even though I opened a cash account.

 

[Heinie_V]

Yeah, Rectron is quite tight as*ed with their accounts. The whole tutti, business bank accounts, VAT registration, statement regarding your business stability etc. A boatload of admin, even though I opened a cash account.

My Rectron application was send in this afternoon. Spoke to one of their account representatives this afternoon. Does not look like I will experience any problems so holding thumbs

 

[mobber]

My Rectron application was send in this afternoon. Spoke to one of their account representatives this afternoon. Does not look like I will experience any problems so holding thumbs

Great, you will have a lot more joy with the path you are taking now. They are a great company to deal with and very good on RMA/warranties. Success with the application, hope they assign you a personal rep. Interesting fact, when I went in to Esquire (PE) branch to transfer my account, I ran into one of my reps from Rectron. Give Pinnacle a go, that way you will have options on pricing.

 

[ponder]

Great, you will have a lot more joy with the path you are taking now. They are a great company to deal with and very good on RMA/warranties.

+100

 

[Corrie88]

Heinie, has this matter been resolved? Im literately in the same boat, I get no correspondence from those guys, I dont believe I will get my money back...see this thread for my experience with them: https://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showth...esalers-SA-(guy-called-Etienne-Pienaar)/page2

Hi guys

Is anybody here using Computer Wholesalers SA as a supplier or alternative to some suppliers?

I have been registered with them since 2010 and always received good service until 2016.

My last 4 orders was not a happy experience and delivery times were awful, waiting 3 to 4 weeks from date of payment until ordered products are delivered.

The thing that got me really unhappy is my last order and I do not know what to do anymore.

On 17 March I ordered components valued over R20 000. On said date of payment products was in stock with supplier and prices was correct as per the quote I received that day.

After a lot of emails and follow ups on 20 April I was notified that due to the economic climate that have encountered financial difficulties and there orders are delayed. I cannot believe this as I have paid up front for orderded products. I was given the option that I can either wait till they can get stock of products again or I can get a refund.

I chose the option to be refunded and this was agreed upon by the person I was directed to speak to.

As from 26 April I have not received a refund, received any communication from CWSA and nobody is replying my emails that I send them to try and find out what is going on.

I am unable to order these producs from another place or shop until they refund me so I am getting more irritated by the day.

Any advise would be greatly appreciated

I am beginning to wonder if a situation like this can be classisfied as fraud or theft as money was paid but products are not being delivered after almost 2 months.

 

[Mann3Marak]

Heinie, has this matter been resolved? Im literately in the same boat, I get no correspondence from those guys, I dont believe I will get my money back...see this thread for my experience with them: https://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showth...esalers-SA-(guy-called-Etienne-Pienaar)/page2

Same here. I went to police and nothing happened. What to do?

 

[Antifreezepmb]

Hi guys

Is anybody here using Computer Wholesalers SA as a supplier or alternative to some suppliers?

I have been registered with them since 2010 and always received good service until 2016.

My last 4 orders was not a happy experience and delivery times were awful, waiting 3 to 4 weeks from date of payment until ordered products are delivered.

The thing that got me really unhappy is my last order and I do not know what to do anymore.

On 17 March I ordered components valued over R20 000. On said date of payment products was in stock with supplier and prices was correct as per the quote I received that day.

After a lot of emails and follow ups on 20 April I was notified that due to the economic climate that have encountered financial difficulties and there orders are delayed. I cannot believe this as I have paid up front for orderded products. I was given the option that I can either wait till they can get stock of products again or I can get a refund.

I chose the option to be refunded and this was agreed upon by the person I was directed to speak to.

As from 26 April I have not received a refund, received any communication from CWSA and nobody is replying my emails that I send them to try and find out what is going on.

I am unable to order these producs from another place or shop until they refund me so I am getting more irritated by the day.

Any advise would be greatly appreciated

I am beginning to wonder if a situation like this can be classisfied as fraud or theft as money was paid but products are not being delivered after almost 2 months.

Good Day to all that has posted on this site regarding Etienne Pienaar (Computer Wholesalers SA Limited)

Myself and my wife has not been working for this company since 2015 and 2016 therefore I am writing this post:

Andre Jordaan and Charmaine Jordaan (Myself and my wife) has evidence regarding this and we are eager to show you our evidence, which is in the form of an outsourcing contract and a retrenchment letter.

I have not touched the phone or sales1 since the signing if the contract and Charmaine left with a voluntary retrenchment which she has not gotten paid (In a nice way she quit due to what was happening)

We have asked Etienne numerous times to remove us but to no avail and will end up in criminal charges against him personally as we cannot find work yet alone start a business.

He owes me and Charmaine R84000 for not paying the contract and salaries.

She has also lost a flat that was left to her by her late father(a police detective) and lost her vehicle due to this.

We will not see that money and the assets are now gone!!!!

Cases have been open but we ourselves are "under investigation" unfortunately the incriminating posts against me and Charmaine is blocking us from doing so, we have failed to do our part due to our supposed involvement and I have now lost my income (Job) because of it.

If you would like any info, Myself and Charmaine are willing to help and also provide you with the evidence mentioned in this post to exonerate our names

My mail is [email protected], mail me and I will try to help as much as I possibly can.

I have tried to phone some people but get sworn at. This in an understandable reaction however please refrain from doing so in the mails sent to me, as I'm trying to establish trust with all of you and maybe I can even try to resolve some of the issues pertaining to this company and even solutions.

With regards to the police case:

Please remove our names (Andre Jordaan, Charmaine Jordaan and Sonika ) as we will be able to provide you with the information you need, which in this case will undoubtedly show you that we where not involved,

As for Sonika, she left in 2014 already and don't think she knows of the posts even!!

Please don't hesitate to mail me and Charmaine on the mail provided as we will be as transparent as any of you would be if you where in our position.

We do have a company that I'm trying to start up, but due to the incriminating posts in this thread people don't trust me and fear that my wife, daughter and myself might end up on the street due to some of the lies that is being spread across the net and we weren't even involved!!!

Please if someone can contact me!!

I will also make my phone number available (via email) and the police is welcome to come and visit me as I've been dealing with two fine detectives in pmb to try and sort this out. They advised me to get everyone together and to let you all know on this site that we were not involved.

Please also have a look at myBroadband as I will post there this exact message too and hope I can attach my evidence so you can see for yourselves without contacting me and my wife, as it must be quite frustrating for you.


With kind regards and transparent truth

Andre and Charmaine Jordaan

 

[netstrider]

Eina.

Never good to hear things like this.

 

[Antifreezepmb]

Thank you and I see I can attach however please if anyone is looking for the docs please email me, I will reply!!

 

[Corrie88]

Good Day to all that has posted on this site regarding Etienne Pienaar (Computer Wholesalers SA Limited)

Myself and my wife has not been working for this company since 2015 and 2016 therefore I am writing this post:

Andre Jordaan and Charmaine Jordaan (Myself and my wife) has evidence regarding this and we are eager to show you our evidence, which is in the form of an outsourcing contract and a retrenchment letter.

I have not touched the phone or sales1 since the signing if the contract and Charmaine left with a voluntary retrenchment which she has not gotten paid (In a nice way she quit due to what was happening)

We have asked Etienne numerous times to remove us but to no avail and will end up in criminal charges against him personally as we cannot find work yet alone start a business.

He owes me and Charmaine R84000 for not paying the contract and salaries.

She has also lost a flat that was left to her by her late father(a police detective) and lost her vehicle due to this.

We will not see that money and the assets are now gone!!!!

Cases have been open but we ourselves are "under investigation" unfortunately the incriminating posts against me and Charmaine is blocking us from doing so, we have failed to do our part due to our supposed involvement and I have now lost my income (Job) because of it.

If you would like any info, Myself and Charmaine are willing to help and also provide you with the evidence mentioned in this post to exonerate our names

My mail is [email protected], mail me and I will try to help as much as I possibly can.

I have tried to phone some people but get sworn at. This in an understandable reaction however please refrain from doing so in the mails sent to me, as I'm trying to establish trust with all of you and maybe I can even try to resolve some of the issues pertaining to this company and even solutions.

With regards to the police case:

Please remove our names (Andre Jordaan, Charmaine Jordaan and Sonika ) as we will be able to provide you with the information you need, which in this case will undoubtedly show you that we where not involved,

As for Sonika, she left in 2014 already and don't think she knows of the posts even!!

Please don't hesitate to mail me and Charmaine on the mail provided as we will be as transparent as any of you would be if you where in our position.

We do have a company that I'm trying to start up, but due to the incriminating posts in this thread people don't trust me and fear that my wife, daughter and myself might end up on the street due to some of the lies that is being spread across the net and we weren't even involved!!!

Please if someone can contact me!!

I will also make my phone number available (via email) and the police is welcome to come and visit me as I've been dealing with two fine detectives in pmb to try and sort this out. They advised me to get everyone together and to let you all know on this site that we were not involved.

Please also have a look at myBroadband as I will post there this exact message too and hope I can attach my evidence so you can see for yourselves without contacting me and my wife, as it must be quite frustrating for you.


With kind regards and transparent truth

Andre and Charmaine Jordaan

Well....What an interesting read! And after all this time as well!

I thought that all the efforts made by myself and our fellow scammed members through working with the police, CWSA's domain registrar and FNB's fraud department on this matter would of course lead to nothing. I'm actually very relieved to see that, eventually, there are some form of action taken in pursuit of justice.

Although I feel some sympathy for you and your family, Andre, it will have to be proven conclusively that you guys had no involvement in stealing from others. One can not simply "clear your name" when your affiliation with the company was clear.

The question for me remains: what about Etienne? Is he still stealing and getting away with it? Is he only man behind all of this, or are there much more to this little criminal endeavor?

 

[Antifreezepmb]

Hi there Corrie 88
As I've replied I think its fair to say no problem.
Send me a mail so I can send you the the evidence as my name is my future and as said in my post I'm willing to cooperate with you and the police, I knew of the posts but didn't think it would go this far and you are not the only one who has tried to shut cw down I've been trying for 4 years now and not to mention that some of the info you received indirectly came from me. So... Send me your mail, I'm ready to vindicate myself and Charmaine. Also don't forget a phone no so we can talk as there is a lot you and everyone scammed don't know.
As for justice, persecuting innocent people is not justice, 1 person phoned me to get the full story, NO One else!!! Yet its fine to destroy the people who advised others not to register and not to buy as their money will be taken. I am the one who gave the info to shut cwsa's hosting side down via za domains and it is shut down!! He cannot do hardware sales anymore (HE IS DONE) because of info that I gave some individuals and they were gratefull. But now I'm paying for something neither myself or my wife has done!!!! So please send me a mail I'm ready and willing!!!!

 

[Antifreezepmb]

Hi guys

Is anybody here using Computer Wholesalers SA as a supplier or alternative to some suppliers?

I have been registered with them since 2010 and always received good service until 2016.

My last 4 orders was not a happy experience and delivery times were awful, waiting 3 to 4 weeks from date of payment until ordered products are delivered.

The thing that got me really unhappy is my last order and I do not know what to do anymore.

On 17 March I ordered components valued over R20 000. On said date of payment products was in stock with supplier and prices was correct as per the quote I received that day.

After a lot of emails and follow ups on 20 April I was notified that due to the economic climate that have encountered financial difficulties and there orders are delayed. I cannot believe this as I have paid up front for orderded products. I was given the option that I can either wait till they can get stock of products again or I can get a refund.

I chose the option to be refunded and this was agreed upon by the person I was directed to speak to.

As from 26 April I have not received a refund, received any communication from CWSA and nobody is replying my emails that I send them to try and find out what is going on.

I am unable to order these producs from another place or shop until they refund me so I am getting more irritated by the day.

Any advise would be greatly appreciated

I am beginning to wonder if a situation like this can be classisfied as fraud or theft as money was paid but products are not being delivered after almost 2 months.

Hi guys

Is anybody here using Computer Wholesalers SA as a supplier or alternative to some suppliers?

I have been registered with them since 2010 and always received good service until 2016.

My last 4 orders was not a happy experience and delivery times were awful, waiting 3 to 4 weeks from date of payment until ordered products are delivered.

The thing that got me really unhappy is my last order and I do not know what to do anymore.

On 17 March I ordered components valued over R20 000. On said date of payment products was in stock with supplier and prices was correct as per the quote I received that day.

After a lot of emails and follow ups on 20 April I was notified that due to the economic climate that have encountered financial difficulties and there orders are delayed. I cannot believe this as I have paid up front for orderded products. I was given the option that I can either wait till they can get stock of products again or I can get a refund.

I chose the option to be refunded and this was agreed upon by the person I was directed to speak to.

As from 26 April I have not received a refund, received any communication from CWSA and nobody is replying my emails that I send them to try and find out what is going on.

I am unable to order these producs from another place or shop until they refund me so I am getting more irritated by the day.

Any advise would be greatly appreciated

I am beginning to wonder if a situation like this can be classisfied as fraud or theft as money was paid but products are not being delivered after almost 2 months.

Hallo Hein please mail me on [email protected] I need some info regarding this thread, corrie88 not replying to me and need to clarify a few things regarding the issues of cwsa , would be nice to get a few questions answered about the police case that was opened.

Kind regards

Andre Jordaan

 

[triskarnie]

Well....What an interesting read! And after all this time as well!

I thought that all the efforts made by myself and our fellow scammed members through working with the police, CWSA's domain registrar and FNB's fraud department on this matter would of course lead to nothing. I'm actually very relieved to see that, eventually, there are some form of action taken in pursuit of justice.

Although I feel some sympathy for you and your family, Andre, it will have to be proven conclusively that you guys had no involvement in stealing from others. One can not simply "clear your name" when your affiliation with the company was clear.

The question for me remains: what about Etienne? Is he still stealing and getting away with it? Is he only man behind all of this, or are there much more to this little criminal endeavor?

Hi Corrie,

Although Andre mentions a combined amount of R84000, I believe that Etienne owes them at least R200000.00 in accrued outstanding salaries, contracted amounts that weren't paid, subsequently ending in a breach of contract, and accrued leave pay for leave that was never taken by Andre and Charmaine. That is besides the the so-called "retrenchment package" that is, to this date, still due to Charmaine and that she has lost hope of ever receiving. Her ex-colleague, Sonika, was the only Gauteng-based employee that ever received a retrenchment package as far as I know.

Andre has left the company in 2015 and Charmaine in 2016. Yet this Etienne freak has never stopped using their names in a fraudulent capacity. Andre only found out about this after he recently once again lost a job unexpectedly, and the guy who fired him mentioned threads such as this particular one as the reason.

These two people are also just victims of Etienne and his "boyfriend" Lionel. They are currently at their wits end, and are trying their best to make ends meet... all because of what Etienne has done to them. All they want is to be able to find proper jobs so that they can give their six-year-old daughter the life that she deserves. I can personally vouch for the truthfulness of Andre's statement. If people commenting on this thread could just give him a chance to prove what he says is true, then perhaps they will be able to start making a living again, and carry on with their lives.

By the way: last known address for Etienne: 120 Globe road, Pietermaritzburg (his father's place). Last known cell no: 0844318995. His "boyfriend" Lionel is his current business partner. Not too sure about Lionel's address, but I do know that he does not live with Etienne in his father's place.

One final thing: please remove the address 10 Aldergrove Lane, Bonaero Park from your records, since that is now my address, and I keep getting visitors from the police and other legal entities searching for Etienne. I moved into the same flat where Etienne used to live, and it seems that I have inherited Etienne's luggage as well as his feral fricking cat! And boy, do I hate cats, lol! It was only about two days ago that I found his address and cell no online.

Hope this can be settled in an amicable way, since I feel that Andre and Charmaine has been through enough. It is about time they are given a break.

Thank you.

 

[triskarnie]

Hallo Hein please mail me on [email protected] I need some info regarding this thread, corrie88 not replying to me and need to clarify a few things regarding the issues of cwsa , would be nice to get a few questions answered about the police case that was opened.

Kind regards

Andre Jordaan

Hi Hein,

I'm posting the exact same text that I have posted in reply to Corrie88's comment:

Although Andre mentions a combined amount of R84000, I believe that Etienne owes them at least R200000.00 in accrued outstanding salaries, contracted amounts that weren't paid, subsequently ending in a breach of contract, and accrued leave pay for leave that was never taken by Andre and Charmaine. That is besides the the so-called "retrenchment package" that is, to this date, still due to Charmaine and that she has lost hope of ever receiving. Her ex-colleague, Sonika, was the only Gauteng-based employee that ever received a retrenchment package as far as I know.

Andre has left the company in 2015 and Charmaine in 2016. Yet this Etienne freak has never stopped using their names in a fraudulent capacity. Andre only found out about this after he recently once again lost a job unexpectedly, and the guy who fired him mentioned threads such as this particular one as the reason.

These two people are also just victims of Etienne and his "boyfriend" Lionel. They are currently at their wits end, and are trying their best to make ends meet... all because of what Etienne has done to them. All they want is to be able to find proper jobs so that they can give their six-year-old daughter the life that she deserves. I can personally vouch for the truthfulness of Andre's statement. If people commenting on this thread could just give him a chance to prove what he says is true, then perhaps they will be able to start making a living again, and carry on with their lives.

By the way: last known address for Etienne: 120 Globe road, Pietermaritzburg (his father's place). Last known cell no: 0844318995. His "boyfriend" Lionel is his current business partner. Not too sure about Lionel's address, but I do know that he does not live with Etienne in his father's place.

One final thing: please remove the address 10 Aldergrove Lane, Bonaero Park from your records, since that is now my address, and I keep getting visitors from the police and other legal entities searching for Etienne. I moved into the same flat where Etienne used to live, and it seems that I have inherited Etienne's luggage as well as his feral fricking cat! And boy, do I hate cats, lol! It was only about two days ago that I found his address and cell no online.

Hope this can be settled in an amicable way, since I feel that Andre and Charmaine has been through enough. It is about time they are given a break.

Thank you

 

[triskarnie]

Hi Corrie,

Although Andre mentions a combined amount of R84000, I believe that Etienne owes them at least R200000.00 in accrued outstanding salaries, contracted amounts that weren't paid, subsequently ending in a breach of contract, and accrued leave pay for leave that was never taken by Andre and Charmaine. That is besides the the so-called "retrenchment package" that is, to this date, still due to Charmaine and that she has lost hope of ever receiving. Her ex-colleague, Sonika, was the only Gauteng-based employee that ever received a retrenchment package as far as I know.

Andre has left the company in 2015 and Charmaine in 2016. Yet this Etienne freak has never stopped using their names in a fraudulent capacity. Andre only found out about this after he recently once again lost a job unexpectedly, and the guy who fired him mentioned threads such as this particular one as the reason.

These two people are also just victims of Etienne and his "boyfriend" Lionel. They are currently at their wits end, and are trying their best to make ends meet... all because of what Etienne has done to them. All they want is to be able to find proper jobs so that they can give their six-year-old daughter the life that she deserves. I can personally vouch for the truthfulness of Andre's statement. If people commenting on this thread could just give him a chance to prove what he says is true, then perhaps they will be able to start making a living again, and carry on with their lives.

By the way: last known address for Etienne: 120 Globe road, Pietermaritzburg (his father's place). Last known cell no: 0844318995. His "boyfriend" Lionel is his current business partner. Not too sure about Lionel's address, but I do know that he does not live with Etienne in his father's place.

One final thing: please remove the address 10 Aldergrove Lane, Bonaero Park from your records, since that is now my address, and I keep getting visitors from the police and other legal entities searching for Etienne. I moved into the same flat where Etienne used to live, and it seems that I have inherited Etienne's luggage as well as his feral fricking cat! And boy, do I hate cats, lol! It was only about two days ago that I found his address and cell no online.

Hope this can be settled in an amicable way, since I feel that Andre and Charmaine has been through enough. It is about time they are given a break.

Thank you.

I have since found out that that Lionel does live with Etienne at 120 Globe road, Pietermaritzburg. This should make it easier to trace them both together...

 

[triskarnie]

Hi Hein,

I'm posting the exact same text that I have posted in reply to Corrie88's comment:

Although Andre mentions a combined amount of R84000, I believe that Etienne owes them at least R200000.00 in accrued outstanding salaries, contracted amounts that weren't paid, subsequently ending in a breach of contract, and accrued leave pay for leave that was never taken by Andre and Charmaine. That is besides the the so-called "retrenchment package" that is, to this date, still due to Charmaine and that she has lost hope of ever receiving. Her ex-colleague, Sonika, was the only Gauteng-based employee that ever received a retrenchment package as far as I know.

Andre has left the company in 2015 and Charmaine in 2016. Yet this Etienne freak has never stopped using their names in a fraudulent capacity. Andre only found out about this after he recently once again lost a job unexpectedly, and the guy who fired him mentioned threads such as this particular one as the reason.

These two people are also just victims of Etienne and his "boyfriend" Lionel. They are currently at their wits end, and are trying their best to make ends meet... all because of what Etienne has done to them. All they want is to be able to find proper jobs so that they can give their six-year-old daughter the life that she deserves. I can personally vouch for the truthfulness of Andre's statement. If people commenting on this thread could just give him a chance to prove what he says is true, then perhaps they will be able to start making a living again, and carry on with their lives.

By the way: last known address for Etienne: 120 Globe road, Pietermaritzburg (his father's place). Last known cell no: 0844318995. His "boyfriend" Lionel is his current business partner. Not too sure about Lionel's address, but I do know that he does not live with Etienne in his father's place.

One final thing: please remove the address 10 Aldergrove Lane, Bonaero Park from your records, since that is now my address, and I keep getting visitors from the police and other legal entities searching for Etienne. I moved into the same flat where Etienne used to live, and it seems that I have inherited Etienne's luggage as well as his feral fricking cat! And boy, do I hate cats, lol! It was only about two days ago that I found his address and cell no online.

Hope this can be settled in an amicable way, since I feel that Andre and Charmaine has been through enough. It is about time they are given a break.

Thank you

I have since found out that that Lionel does live with Etienne at 120 Globe road, Pietermaritzburg. This should make it easier to trace them both together...