convert current 150l geyser into solar

Greglsh

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Have been reading and it seems the best way to start down the solar route is to lower your usage first. I have fairly new 150l kwikot geyers(2). One stays off until guests stay over the other is in use full time. I would like to get pricing on converting them to solar geysers. What cost would I be looking at and can anybody recommend a reputable company in the Durban area. Depending on cost might do one first then other down the line.
 
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Hi
Have been reading and it seems the best way to start down the solar route is to lower your usage first. I have fairly new 150l kwikot geyers(2). One stays off until guests stay over the other is in use full time. I would like to get pricing on converting them to solar geysers. What cost would I be looking at and can anybody recommend a reputable company in the Durban area. Depending on cost might do one first then other down the line.

To retrofit existing geysers, I saw pricing in the region of R6k - R9k when I was looking recently.

You would do better to replace both geysers, with 1 200l complete solar unit, it would be cheaper.
 
To retrofit existing geysers, I saw pricing in the region of R6k - R9k when I was looking recently.

You would do better to replace both geysers, with 1 200l complete solar unit, it would be cheaper.

I'm also keen on doing this. Any idea if the quoted price is before or after the Eskom rebate? Searching online does indicate pricing in the 6k to 9k range but doesn't mention the rebate.
 
I'm also keen on doing this. Any idea if the quoted price is before or after the Eskom rebate? Searching online does indicate pricing in the 6k to 9k range but doesn't mention the rebate.

The pricing at the R6k(ish) mark seemed to include the rebate from my memory....
 
The rebate is a scam. The BEE supliers that are eligible to give the discount charge way more than skipping it altogether. The only real option is either get a plumber to do it and buy everything from a plumbing supply shop - the kwikot vacuum tube collectors are reasonably priced. Another option is to get someone from ITS to install it. From itssolar.co.za you can contact them and they will put you in touch with the nearest franchise. A retrofit is more complex than a standalone unit, and it costs about the same. It will look better, though and you have better control over the temperature with a proper controller.

A very important thing to consider is the q factor. That is basically how much energy you can collect from the sun. I have 24 tubes with a 200l geyser, it is a bit much, and my system is properly isolated, so it is also more efficient than most. I get about 10kWh worth of energy per day after losses. Wich means that I never use any electricity except when the sun doesn't come out for more than a day. It also means that the geyser would boil everyday if two people only shower or one bathes and one shower.

If you look at the list of approved systems on the eskom website, you will see that many have only enough energy to overcome the daily standing losses of the geyser, which is pretty useless. (Q factor around 10MJ, mine is >40MJ).

Another consideration is that you need double the capacity geyser for solar than for electric, since you cannot reheat the water in the night, so budget 100l per person, unless you are prepared to heat it to 80degC+.

For an 18 tube system, it should cost about R15k installed with a controller from ITS, which should be sufficient for a 150l geyser, all the cheaper options are not worth it, they either do not add enough energy to ever pay themselves off, or are low pressure type systems that are a real pain.
 
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Can you upvote here -- because that answer is spot on (apart from kW is kWh --> kilowatt-hour; saying kW is like saying a journey was 50 kmph, rather than 50km)

The best place to start is:
1. Understand your usage (just a pen and paper: shower for 10 mins @ 10L/min = 40L etc. ... or if you want -- or a power meter on your geyser) -- it can be important to understand WHEN you use the water. This is less important for electricity, as an electric geyser can pump in around 100kWh per day (about 4-5kW for 24 hours a day). Whereas a solar geyser will pump in say 10kWh over the 4-6 peak hours of sunshine per day. If you use it all up at 10PM there won't be any the next morning.
2. Compare your usage to the available systems -- as P924 said -> Q factor is in MJ - you need to divide that 40MJ by 3.6 to kWh.
3. Check the 'losses' of that new system --> solar geysers, rather ironically, don't need to be as 'efficient' as electrical geysers. Many will have an electrical backup circuit, which may just turn on every morning for 2 hours... which kills off lots of the gains too!

Certainly, if you aren't mathematically/engineeringly minded, you mind struggle to get it right. The sales guys won't get it right either, but by comparison and asking in forums like this, you should get closer to what you need.
 
Shower with cold water like I do. Of course, if you live in JBH in winter that might be a problem... Durbs is great.
 
What do you guys think of this. They are launching the product next year. I was thinking of waiting for them to launch this product and all the related documents before I would be making my decision.

Their claims do seem impressive.
 
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Quick reading - thats a controller... so similar to Geyserwise Max?
 
What do you guys think of this. They are launching the product next year. I was thinking of waiting for them to launch this product and all the related documents before I would be making my decision.

There claims do seem impressive.
I looks good on paper. I'd certainly be interested as well.
 
Quick reading - thats a controller... so similar to Geyserwise Max?

Well it's more than just a controller. MPPT will maximize your energy output from your solar panels so waiting to see how this is different from normal MPPTs. But if they have studies to prove it performs on par with a 24 tube system it might be worth while to investigate.

Cost wise it should be around +-10k I think for everything. You would still sit with the capacity issue mentioned earlier in this thread.
 
There is no way 750w PV will outperform 24 tubes solar. Pricing should be similar, but total energy would be around 5.1kWh in summer on PV and 15kWh for 24 tubes (ignoring all losses, on a perfect clear day). That is with 3x300W panels in JHB (222W under operating temp, but I kept it at 250W per panel for calculations) with 26degrees pitch and an ideal MPPT controller.
 
Can you upvote here -- because that answer is spot on (apart from kW is kWh --> kilowatt-hour; saying kW is like saying a journey was 50 kmph, rather than 50km).

Thanks. That was supposed to be kWh, touchscreen keyboard is a bit more difficult. Will edit now for clarity.
 
There is no way 750w PV will outperform 24 tubes solar. Pricing should be similar, but total energy would be around 5.1kWh in summer on PV and 15kWh for 24 tubes (ignoring all losses, on a perfect clear day). That is with 3x300W panels in JHB (222W under operating temp, but I kept it at 250W per panel for calculations) with 26degrees pitch and an ideal MPPT controller.

That's why I'm waiting for the university studies to see how they are getting these miraculous figures.
 
Don't convert a normal geyser to solar unless you or the guy installing it knows what he is doing otherwise it will be a nightmare.

Use a reputable company which will be around for a few years and does effective warranty claims. Mine vanished long ago and for every problem you have to pay others big time to fix it, if you can find someone prepared to work on your modified system.

Popping TP-valves are not cheap to replace.
 
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Can anyone recommend a reputable company in Pretoria to do a household solar retrofit to existing geyser?
I am so sick and tired of these cowboys and crooks and fly-by-night operations...
 
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