School time!
Nonsense.
Intel/AMD makes all their chips using the same processes and then they take a wafer and tests a sample of only one or more chips on it to see which speed it is stable at and then all the CPU's on the wafer is marked at that speed.
Nope that's not how it works.
1. A dye on a wafer will perform and overclock differently depending on where it is located on the wafer itself. The ones on the center usually do better than the ones on the outside, why this is so has to do with the etching process and the smaller the node the more this makes itself evident.
So an E6600 wafer that fails that speed is remarked as either E6400's or E6300's instead and half of the cache zapped and there will obviously be some chips on that wafer that might have passed the higher clockspeed tests had Intel spent the time and money to test all of them.
Nope, wrong again.
You have to test all the dies before they go out, you can run a simulator that actually shows you on the wafer which cores are failing and which ones are generating errors at the said speed. All of them get tested if that was not the case you'd find dead CPU"s on shelves and that doesn't happen. There is no E6600 wafer, they are all made to be X6800's and in packaging the CPU bridges are burned to whichever multiplier they need and the XEs are left without this "burning" process.
the arguement isnt about the general public its about cpu that if configured correctly can beat an AMD fx 62
Same can be said for any CPU. P4's were holding Spi record under LN2 even when AMD still had the fastest CPU around. And what qualifies as configured right? do DICE runs count, LN2, C-h2o, Cascade, 2x/3xcascade? What's configured right?
You should know that performance scales better with increasing clocks on the Athlon64 than on the Core2, yes the core2 is a more efficient architecture, but the further you increase speeds, the more the FSB/CPU relationship starts to get in the way. This does not exist on the AMD platform and hence the more linear scaling of performance
That is not to say the COre2 gets slower, it just says performance is not as linear as on an AMD platform using HT that's all.
cpu where not suppose to be overclocked?
then why do these intels overclock so well and by so much?
This has nothing to do with them being made to overclock or not. When the CPU design goes for testing it goes through many re-designs to see which configuration allows the highest clock and the most even heat distribution. The parts of the CPU where gate count is dense (the cache) usually are usually less sensitive than the logic part of the CPU.
The node and process type and substrate play a big part in the ability of the CPU to clock and that's at the physical level. At the logic level CPU, layout and CPU design (pipeline stage count, cache prediction mechanism, register size, count, trace/instruction and or data cache type etc...) also play a role.
And most obviously the core2's are 65nm chips and hence they will clock pretty well for the same cooling that allowed the 90nm chip to clock to whatever level.
how long had they been ripping us off?
screw amd, intel is by far cheaper in performance
And for years on end AMD was faster and cheaper while Intel still sold the Pentium for high prices and far lower performance.
BTW part of the reason why we paid so much for the Athlon64 CPU's was because AMD actually lost money on the entire AthlonXP range and lifetime. They needed that for marketing purposes and to re-coup the R&D that had gone into the Athlon design prices had to go up, because they were set artificially low. We were never meant to be buying AthlonXP 3200+s for R899 because Intel for an inferior product were charging up to 3X that amount and that was a realistic price for them to make a profit.
take intel's 7k cpu vs amd's 7k hahahaha what a joke at stock level as well
Increasing the price point doesn't change the underlying architecture. Intel has a better IPC count than AMD period. Be it the CPU is clocked at 2.93GHz or 1.8GHz. It's the same architecture.
Oh and by the way we'll see when Quad Father comes out and compare it with Kentsfiled later this month. then we'll re evaluate your R7K CPU class systems no?
And finally, watch what you say and whom you say it too, I didn't get into computing yesterday if you gonna counter my opinion, come with something solid...
