Couple gets death over 'blasphemous' SMS

Bryn26 said:
The Qur'an does indeed call for all infidels to be killed. Relevant text can be found in 2:191-193.
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Please don't incite hatred here.
The true meaning of infidel in the Quran was referring to idol worshippers and not Jews and Christians.
 
tRoN said:
Please don't incite hatred here.
The true meaning of infidel in the Quran was referring to idol worshippers and not Jews and Christians.
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Yeah, that makes it okay. :rolleyes:

And no, it doesn't just refer to idol worshippers.

In earliest recited verses of Qur'an, such as Al-Kafirun, the term kafir simply divided Meccan community into believers and unbelievers. In later recited verses, particularly those recited after the Hijra in 622 AD, the concept of infidel - kafir - was expanded upon, with Jews and Christians included. The expanded term kafir refers to anyone who satisfies one or more of the following - practices idolatry of any form, does not accept absolute oneness of God, denies Muhammed as prophet, ignores God's ayah (evidence or signs), or rejects belief in resurrection and final judgment. Jews were condemned as infidels for their disbelief in God's ayah, Christians were condemned as infidels for their belief in Trinity, which Qur'an declared as a form of idolatry.
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tRoN said:
Aaah...Wikipedia. The great unbiased source. :rolleyes:

Read here rather. http://www.justaskislam.com/32/does-islam-say-kill-the-infidels/
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I know it's a difficult concept to grasp, but Wikipedia doesn't primarily consist out of things people procured rectally. There are citations and references, look at them.

And pray tell, what is Wikipedia's bias?

But yeah, a random American Muslim converted preacher is the ultimate authority on Islam... Oh, and a totally unbiased source. ;)
 
Bryn26 said:
The Qur'an does indeed call for all infidels to be killed. Relevant text can be found in 2:191-193.
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That's been taking out of context. Read the verses before and after... Islam does say prevent war, killing and fighting but says if you have to fight then fight... This context here is in an environment of war
 
adamr said:
That's been taking out of context. Read the verses before and after... Islam does say prevent war, killing and fighting but says if you have to fight then fight... This context here is in an environment of war
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Then why do so many so called Muslim minorities get it wrong? Please go enlighten all of the Muslims in Pakistan, Syria, Iran, Jordan and the UK that they have got it wrong all these years! Maybe then we can stop the honour killing of women who, gasp, want to choose their own husbands?

And its interesting that you call it hatespeech. I'm sorry, reporting what Islam is doing is not hate speech. Unfortunately its extremely prevalent in the Muslim world, and Muslims like yourself denying it does not solve the problem.
 
What do you call a muslim with pork on his head?

Hamhead!

what do you call two muslims with pork on their heads?

Mohamhead!
 
Ancalagon said:
Then why do so many so called Muslim minorities get it wrong? Please go enlighten all of the Muslims in Pakistan, Syria, Iran, Jordan and the UK that they have got it wrong all these years! Maybe then we can stop the honour killing of women who, gasp, want to choose their own husbands?

And its interesting that you call it hatespeech. I'm sorry, reporting what Islam is doing is not hate speech. Unfortunately its extremely prevalent in the Muslim world, and Muslims like yourself denying it does not solve the problem.
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People denying the Holocaust and that being a crime, governments arresting people because of their sexual preferences (saying its against Christianity)... I can say priests sodomising young boys is prevelant in Christian churches. It is very wrong to associate that to the religion.... It's humans and acting on their inhibitions. Humans are silly creatures with narrow vision... And then you attack me personally saying I'm denying it... Not denying anything... What's s done in Pakistan is wrong... Don't need to justify myself.. People like yourself need to expand your vision beyond your TV set. The are bad people in this world.... Jews, Christians, Muslims, atheists... And good people as well... Jews, Christians, Muslims, atheists... But to paint all people in the same way because of their difference in colour, culture, religion is a very narrow and ignorant self disposition
 
adamr said:
People denying the Holocaust and that being a crime, governments arresting people because of their sexual preferences (saying its against Christianity)... I can say priests sodomising young boys is prevelant in Christian churches. It is very wrong to associate that to the religion.... It's humans and acting on their inhibitions. Humans are silly creatures with narrow vision... And then you attack me personally saying I'm denying it... Not denying anything... What's s done in Pakistan is wrong... Don't need to justify myself.. People like yourself need to expand your vision beyond your TV set. The are bad people in this world.... Jews, Christians, Muslims, atheists... And good people as well... Jews, Christians, Muslims, atheists... But to paint all people in the same way because of their difference in colour, culture, religion is a very narrow and ignorant self disposition
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A general difference is that you don't end up being stoned to death , or whatever delights the Pakis have. Except maybe in Uganda but that's probably more of a Ugandan thing than a religious thing.
 
adamr said:
People denying the Holocaust and that being a crime, governments arresting people because of their sexual preferences (saying its against Christianity)... I can say priests sodomising young boys is prevelant in Christian churches. It is very wrong to associate that to the religion.... It's humans and acting on their inhibitions. Humans are silly creatures with narrow vision... And then you attack me personally saying I'm denying it... Not denying anything... What's s done in Pakistan is wrong... Don't need to justify myself.. People like yourself need to expand your vision beyond your TV set. The are bad people in this world.... Jews, Christians, Muslims, atheists... And good people as well... Jews, Christians, Muslims, atheists... But to paint all people in the same way because of their difference in colour, culture, religion is a very narrow and ignorant self disposition
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Why is it wrong to say that Catholicism results in child abuse?

One of the best quotes that I have ever read regarding religion is the following:
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Yes, you get good Muslims and you get bad Muslims. The problem is, good Muslims think that they are doing good by stoning someone guilty of apostasy to death. They are not evil people - they are part of a system that makes them do evil and think they are doing good. The same with Catholics and covering up child abuse. They are doing evil, but may not necessarily be evil people themselves.

When you keep denying that it is Islam that is the problem, you prevent change from occurring.
 
I feel like we need a Captain Hindsight meme.

If you didnt want people to think Islam is a violent religion, then you shouldnt kill women for honour, kill people for apostasy, kill people for being gay or lesbian, kill people for blasphemy or stone or imprison rape victims.
 
On the 7th day just before god rested, he hovered above the skies like a beautiful, delicate butterfly. After gazing upon all that he had made he began to feel a rumble from down under, destiny was calling. He proceeded to crouch down, gritted his teeth and took a giant dump which fell from the heavens and impacted Earth with an almight thump wiping out the dinosaurs instantly. Today this place is known as Pakistan.
 
Ancalagon said:
I feel like we need a Captain Hindsight meme.

If you didnt want people to think Islam is a violent religion, then you shouldnt kill women for honour, kill people for apostasy, kill people for being gay or lesbian, kill people for blasphemy or stone or imprison rape victims.
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Or kill other Muslims because they're not following the 'correct' Islam...
 
adamr said:
That's been taking out of context. Read the verses before and after... Islam does say prevent war, killing and fighting but says if you have to fight then fight... This context here is in an environment of war
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It does appear to be about war more than anything else. Unfortunately Islam still very much embraces the whole "death to apostates" thing. Even when apostates aren't killed Muslim society still often treats them differently, basically discriminates against them for their religious choices. Then there is the sexism in Islam, the homophobia, the insane quest to make adultery a criminal matter which goes along with the imposition of religious laws onto those not practicing the religion. As a result of those practices I laugh every time I hear the claim that Islam is the religion of peace.
 
But just imagine allah is chilling somewhere nowhere watching over his domain of a gazillion odd galaxies and trillions of stars and infinite planets when suddenly he gets a sms from a ****hole spec of a planet earth that he probably doesn't even know he made when he farted his big bang and has to drop everything because he/she is soooooooooooooooooooo offended by it.

Who knows how many planets, milky ways and galaxies allah then destroyed in rage because he received notice than an sms questioning whatever was sent.

What is the life of two humans then worth compared to whole galaxies crushed?

Here is an example of what happened when allah intercepted a previous sms sent

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...er-supermassive-black-hole-caught-camera.html
 
And Islam is that same religion that advocates charity and uplifting society.... Quite ironic then... And it would be if things are taken out of context... Not for one moment do I condone people blowing themselves up in the name of religion or stoning someone to death... (why am I justifying myself) And you guys have gone off topic... This is about someone being sentenced to death for something really stupid that it appears out of the stone ages. Maybe someone here take the Qur'an and read it start to finish.... Then comment... Cause many comments are uninformed and wild Google exerts with no context ... And someone said that Islam is all about sexism... Mother mary is held in the highest levels of Islam.... There is talk of how one must ensure the safety of woman folk etc... But just wild statements highlights people's human nature... Isn't there some saying to this.... That people fight and wars happen because people don't understand each other.... Also an interesting side note is that the Internet reveals human nature true attitudes towards others.... More hate here than I would experience in real life.... Maybe some of you should consider befriending people outside of your cast, religion, colour.... You be surprised to find that humans tend to like and enjoy similar past times regardless of their cultures, colour or religions ...

Bottom line here is that, what was done here by Pakistan is wrong... And its not something Islam teaches ...
 
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Religion is the cause of this. And for any folk that now tries to say "No it's the country's crappy law system." Enlighten yourself please:

Remove religion and bamb no one was insulted not to mention death penalty sentencing because of some silly fantasy person.
 
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