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Howzit

So i want to buy a new PC and i am so extremely unsure of what to buy.
PC will be used for gaming at 1440p, browsing, movies. simple. I don't really want to OC.

Questions:

Ryzen or Intel.
And which ones of either. This is the pricelist i'm working off with regards to components:

http://www.fuwell.com.sg/uploads/misc/Fuwell130517.pdf

I am looking at around the 500-600 range for a CPU + Mobo.
So something like:
1600x + B350
1500/x + X370
i5-7600/k + Z270/H270
i7-7700 + B150/B250

Now with Ryzen, is it still in extreme teething stages? Can i buy the mobo + cpu go home, plug it in and it will work... or do i have to go through the whole BS of messing with the Ram speeds to get it to work stable and ****?

I've been googling and googling and i've just become so overwhelmed with choices and which is the correct one im back to square one. Any help and recommendations would be highly appreciated.
 
poffle said:
Howzit

So i want to buy a new PC and i am so extremely unsure of what to buy.
PC will be used for gaming at 1440p, browsing, movies. simple. I don't really want to OC.

Questions:

Ryzen or Intel.
And which ones of either. This is the pricelist i'm working off with regards to components:

http://www.fuwell.com.sg/uploads/misc/Fuwell130517.pdf

I am looking at around the 500-600 range for a CPU + Mobo.
So something like:
1600x + B350
1500/x + X370
i5-7600/k + Z270/H270
i7-7700 + B150/B250

Now with Ryzen, is it still in extreme teething stages? Can i buy the mobo + cpu go home, plug it in and it will work... or do i have to go through the whole BS of messing with the Ram speeds to get it to work stable and ****?

I've been googling and googling and i've just become so overwhelmed with choices and which is the correct one im back to square one. Any help and recommendations would be highly appreciated.
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Personally I'd go for a 1600 + B350 motherboard, but I'd overclock it. If you don't care too much you can spend the extra money for the 1600X to get the higher clocks out the box but you must also remember to add the cost of a cooler as it doesn't come with one.

The teething problems you're talking about are mainly only related to getting overclocked memory working. This still exists to a degree (AMD is supposed to be releasing a big memory compat update very soon) but it's a lot better now than at launch as long as you're using your motherboard's latest BIOS. The best thing to do is just make sure when buying memory to check that it's on the motherboard QVL list, it's good practice doing this for any platform though.

The other problem early on was getting compatible coolers, which is also much easier now.
 
I'd take the below.

poffle said:
1600x + B350
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poffle said:
Now with Ryzen, is it still in extreme teething stages? Can i buy the mobo + cpu go home, plug it in and it will work...
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Yes.

poffle said:
do i have to go through the whole BS of messing with the Ram speeds to get it to work stable and ****?
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If you want to overclock your RAM you will want to upgrade your BIOS. Otherwise it's plug and play.

You haven't mentioned graphics card? DO you have one already? If not, what's your graphics card budget?
 
Thanks for the replies.
Which B350 board you guys rate? ASUS PRIME-B350-PLUS?
I dislike the placement of M2 SSD port on the MSI, directly under the gfx, ontop is more logical.


Chevron said:
You haven't mentioned graphics card? DO you have one already? If not, what's your graphics card budget?
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This is what my full build is currently looking like:

CPU + MOBO : ?
RAM: Corsair Vengence 3200Mhz CL 16
GPU: Gigabyte 1080 Gaming
HDD: Samsung 850 M2 250GB + 1TB HDD
Case: NZXT 340
PSU: Seasonic G650W Gold
Monitor: acer xb271hu
 
poffle said:
Thanks for the replies.
Which B350 board you guys rate? ASUS PRIME-B350-PLUS?
I dislike the placement of M2 SSD port on the MSI, directly under the gfx, ontop is more logical.




This is what my full build is currently looking like:

CPU + MOBO : ?
RAM: Corsair Vengence 3200Mhz CL 16
GPU: Gigabyte 1080 Gaming
HDD: Samsung 850 M2 250GB + 1TB HDD
Case: NZXT 340
PSU: Seasonic G650W Gold
Monitor: acer xb271hu
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Yeah, take the Asus.

Rest of build is good. :)
 
poffle said:
Thanks for the replies.
Which B350 board you guys rate? ASUS PRIME-B350-PLUS?
I dislike the placement of M2 SSD port on the MSI, directly under the gfx, ontop is more logical.




This is what my full build is currently looking like:

CPU + MOBO : ?
RAM: Corsair Vengence 3200Mhz CL 16
GPU: Gigabyte 1080 Gaming
HDD: Samsung 850 M2 250GB + 1TB HDD
Case: NZXT 340
PSU: Seasonic G650W Gold
Monitor: acer xb271hu
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Don't pick your memory before you know what board you're taking.

If you're going for that Asus Prime-350 Plus then take a look over at the QVL and ensure you're happy with the supported speed: http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb...726.1892783358.1494759497-31613038.1494690802
 
DrJohnZoidberg said:
Don't pick your memory before you know what board you're taking.

If you're going for that Asus Prime-350 Plus then take a look over at the QVL and ensure you're happy with the supported speed: http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb...726.1892783358.1494759497-31613038.1494690802
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How old is that?

It's quite easy to get 3200mhz these days. At the worst 2933mhz is what you get with the latest BIOSes.

Honestly RAM speed isn't something I'd worry too much about now.
 
Chevron said:
How old is that?

It's quite easy to get 3200mhz these days. At the worst 2933mhz is what you get with the latest BIOSes.

Honestly RAM speed isn't something I'd worry too much about now.
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No not really. Even with my Asus Crosshair 6 Hero (which is a premium board) I still need to use an unreleased beta BIOS to get 3200 with my G-Skill CL16 3200 kit.

If you can get Samsung B-dies then you should be fine but anything else at the moment will depend on which board+BIOS you have.
 
DrJohnZoidberg said:
Personally I'd go for a 1600 + B350 motherboard, but I'd overclock it. If you don't care too much you can spend the extra money for the 1600X to get the higher clocks out the box but you must also remember to add the cost of a cooler as it doesn't come with one.

The teething problems you're talking about are mainly only related to getting overclocked memory working. This still exists to a degree (AMD is supposed to be releasing a big memory compat update very soon) but it's a lot better now than at launch as long as you're using your motherboard's latest BIOS. The best thing to do is just make sure when buying memory to check that it's on the motherboard QVL list, it's good practice doing this for any platform though.

The other problem early on was getting compatible coolers, which is also much easier now.
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Just got the http://www.wootware.co.za/raijintek-0r100029-triton-280-v2-diy-pre-filled-rgb-aio-open-loop-liquid-cpu-cooler.html

You need to add a bracket for the am4. I am quite happy with it as it keeps the 9590 cold. and it is modular. so pipes radiator and pump can be replaced independently, or you could add some water blocks for MB and the like and link pipes.
 
DrJohnZoidberg said:
No not really. Even with my Asus Crosshair 6 Hero (which is a premium board) I still need to use an unreleased beta BIOS to get 3200 with my G-Skill CL16 3200 kit.

If you can get Samsung B-dies then you should be fine but anything else at the moment will depend on which board+BIOS you have.
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You're getting 3200mhz and now the guy is so scared he's going to get 2133mhz. :)
 
Chevron said:
You're getting 3200mhz and now the guy is so scared he's going to get 2133mhz. :)
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Took me many many hours of tweaking and keeping tabs on this thread to find which solution worked for me. I'm guessing this is not something most people would have the patience for.
 
Well, lets say i get the 3200mhz ram but i can only run at 2133mhz... big performance knock? Certain sites i googled it was like 10-15fps diff between 2133 and 300
 
poffle said:
Well, lets say i get the 3200mhz ram but i can only run at 2133mhz... big performance knock? Certain sites i googled it was like 10-15fps diff between 2133 and 300
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You won't ever get 2133. Even on launch people were getting 2400mhz. And it's improved a lot since then. At worst it will default to 2400mhz, maybe even 2933.

Then in a month when the big memory BIOS update gets released, you update to that and get 3200mhz. All without funny fiddling.
 
Alright rad thanks.

Guess the Asus it is, i don't really trust ASrock with bios updates.. Lekker!
 
poffle said:
Well, lets say i get the 3200mhz ram but i can only run at 2133mhz... big performance knock? Certain sites i googled it was like 10-15fps diff between 2133 and 300
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I'd say at minimum you should at least get 2400Mhz with basically any memory (that supports 2400+).

The performance gains will be very dependent on the situation, some games show quite a big difference while others show very little. It's also been shown that it really makes very little difference to fps on mid-range graphics cards (like GTX 1060/RX 580) and you only see those bigger gains when you have a high end card (GTX 1080+).

Here is a great video on the subject:

[video=youtube;XOsYOASddeo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOsYOASddeo[/video]
 
Interesting. Faster Ram is definitely something to get then, cool. I'll get 3200Mhz and see what happens with the clock speeds, it'll eventually get there i guess :P

Now, do i push my budget and get a 1080 ti or 1080 :D
 
poffle said:
Interesting. Faster Ram is definitely something to get then, cool. I'll get 3200Mhz and see what happens with the clock speeds, it'll eventually get there i guess :P

Now, do i push my budget and get a 1080 ti or 1080 :D
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Huge price difference between the two. Rather upgrade CPU or MOBO.
 
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