Crime Statistics

[news24]

This is the original Source http://www.gunowners.org/fs0304.htm

Crime statistics do not tell us everything and can be incredibly misleading as the following examples portray:

* Canada has the second highest rate of recorded rape in the world (267 per 100,000), second only to Estonia in the UNDP statistics.

* The rate of drug crimes in Switzerland (574 per 100,000) is more than 10 times that of Colombia (40 per 100,000).

* The rate of total crimes in Denmark (10 508 per 100,000) is more than five times that of the Russian Federation (1 779 per 100,000) and more than 100 times that of Indonesia (80 per 100,000).

Furthermore it needs to be considered,

* The likelihood of victims reporting crime, and the police recording them, is not the same in every country. Crime victims are less likely to report crime in a country with an oppressive or incompetent police force than in a country where the police are helpful and trustworthy. The distances people have to travel to the nearest police station, and the availability of transport to get there, is another factor which can affect crime reporting rates.

* Multiple offences are not recorded uniformly in all countries. In some countries only the most serious offence reported in a single incident is recorded while in others all offences reported are recorded.

* Differences in data quality between countries is also a factor. In developed countries, recorded crimes are entered into a computerised database and channelled to a central point for analysis. In many less developed countries, crime statistics are recorded only on paper which can easily result in the loss of some of the statistics.

According to Interpol, South Africa’s overall crime rate is comparable to other developed countries. However, what sets South Africa’s crime apart from basically every other country on earth, is the incredibly high levels of violent crime.

According to Interpol, Australia had high levels of recorded serious assaults in 1998,

Read the hole document for yourself, its all F$ck up. We need to do something to help the police apprehend the criminals, attacking criminals makes us criminals as well, and it does not solve/or improve anything.

What do we prefare, moan about a failed system, emigrate, or report crime(not to let it slide) and apprehend suspects?

 

[DDV TECH]

Kicking them hard enough in the balls so they can not reproduce is still my favorite.

 

[mercurial]

I only read through the first paragraph and it smells like major league BS. All those countries are the best countries to reside in, because of virtually no crime and the fact that their governments actually look after their people.

 

[news24]

Kicking them hard enough in the balls so they can not reproduce is still my favorite.

Its not about preventing reproduction, even Angels can give birth to Devils. You keep the balls then what, that person is still left with the most dangerous weapon in the world,...Hands!!!

Does chemical amputation sound better?

 

[news24]

I only read through the first paragraph and it smells like major league BS. All those countries are the best countries to reside in, because of virtually no crime and the fact that their governments actually look after their people.

Based on what, google yourself? And do the math on crime per capita. If 5 miilion people are getting killed in China and 5 million people in South Africa, there is a big difference, 1 300 000 000 vs 48 000 000 people....

 

[mercurial]

Based on what, google yourself? And do the math on crime per capita. If 5 miilion people are getting killed in China and 5 million people in South Africa, there is a big difference, 1 300 000 000 vs 48 000 000 people....

Please... everyone who does real research knows which countries have been voted the top in the world.

 

[DDV TECH]

Its not about preventing reproduction, even Angels can give birth to Devils. You keep the balls then what, that person is still left with the most dangerous weapon in the world,...Hands!!!

Does chemical amputation sound better?

Nice

Anything to stop them doing crime, the legal system is not working.

 

[news24]

Please... everyone who does real research knows which countries have been voted the top in the world.

Who is everyone, it seems your response to my thread is based on emotion, which is totally ok, based on the nature of the subject

Rapes per Capita
#1 South Africa: 1.19538 per 1,000 people
#2 Seychelles: 0.788294 per 1,000 people
#3 Australia: 0.777999 per 1,000 people
#4 Montserrat: 0.749384 per 1,000 people
#5 Canada: 0.733089 per 1,000 people
#6 Jamaica: 0.476608 per 1,000 people
#7 Zimbabwe: 0.457775 per 1,000 people
#8 Dominica: 0.34768 per 1,000 people
#9 United States: 0.301318 per 1,000 people
#10 Iceland: 0.246009 per 1,000 people

my initial thread post was based on 2003 research article.

#1Assults per capita(most recent results)
#1 South Africa: 12.0752 per 1,000 people
#2 Montserrat: 10.2773 per 1,000 people
#3 Mauritius: 8.76036 per 1,000 people
#4 Seychelles: 8.62196 per 1,000 people
#5 Zimbabwe: 7.6525 per 1,000 people
#6 United States: 7.56923 per 1,000 people
#7 New Zealand: 7.47881 per 1,000 people
#8 United Kingdom: 7.45959 per 1,000 people
#9 Canada: 7.11834 per 1,000 people
#10 Australia: 7.02459 per 1,000 people

Car Thefts per Capita(Most Recent)
#1 Australia: 6.92354 per 1,000 people
#2 Denmark: 5.92839 per 1,000 people
#3 United Kingdom: 5.6054 per 1,000 people
#4 New Zealand: 5.45031 per 1,000 people
#5 Norway: 5.08143 per 1,000 people
#6 France: 4.9713 per 1,000 people
#7 Canada: 4.88547 per 1,000 people
#8 Italy: 4.19755 per 1,000 people
#9 United States: 3.8795 per 1,000 people
#10 Ireland: 3.69796 per 1,000 people

Burglaries (per capita) (most recent)
#1 Australia: 21.7454 per 1,000 people
#2 Dominica: 18.7892 per 1,000 people
#3 Denmark: 18.3299 per 1,000 people
#4 Estonia: 17.4576 per 1,000 people
#5 Finland: 16.7697 per 1,000 people
#6 New Zealand: 16.2763 per 1,000 people
#7 United Kingdom: 13.8321 per 1,000 people
#8 Poland: 9.46071 per 1,000 people
#9 Canada: 8.94425 per 1,000 people
#10 South Africa: 8.89764 per 1,000 people

Robberies per capita
#1 Spain: 12.3265 per 1,000 people
#2 Chile: 6.92522 per 1,000 people
#3 Costa Rica: 4.79109 per 1,000 people
#4 South Africa: 4.4434 per 1,000 people
#5 Estonia: 3.56639 per 1,000 people
#6 Mexico: 2.02555 per 1,000 people
#7 Portugal: 1.6237 per 1,000 people
#8 United Kingdom: 1.57433 per 1,000 people
#9 Uruguay: 1.57114 per 1,000 people
#10 Poland: 1.38838 per 1,000 people

All the statistics above are nothing to be proud of, in fact, I am ashamed.

 

[DDV TECH]

All the statistics above are nothing to be proud of, in fact, I am ashamed.

LOL i gathered as much

And don't worry you don't have to work for stats sa to post here.....

 

[Ivan...]

Stats mean sh*t really.
Someone could rape you sometime today and then next week...its random.
You can walk in a "bad" part of town and nothing can happen to you. The criminal doesn't think "hmm, 996 people, 997, 998, 999, 1000! now I can rape someone!" He's going to rape you because you're wearing yellow or have nice toenails or whatever crazy reason.

C'mon are you really thinking "yay, 0.4 people per 1000 people get robbed more in other countries than in ours"?. Its like some negative olympics. Everyone should realise that crime is everywhere (except mebbe in the North Pole, for Santa resides there), reading stats just ruins your saturday breakfast. Its silly really.

/RANT

I'm going to google for porn now

 

[Frankie]

There's no "stat" that will BS the South African public into believing the current rampant crime (of all sorts) is the "norm".

One of the major problems is "culture" , or the lack of, and poor role models like Jacob Zuma and his cronies.
Just think about it, the youth gain inspiration from their leaders, and here we have JZ cheating on his five wives by raping an HIV+ young girl, taking a shower thereafter to avert AIDS, and abusing (raping) the justice system to avoid joining his co-accused that's currently serving a jail term.
We have chiefs of police like Selebi receiving benefits from organised crime, and McBride defeating the ends of justice in his drunk drive case, and the senior judge Mutato crashing his car into a wall while driving drunk then too attempting to defeat the ends of justice, .............. the list goes on.

 

[sleeper]

news24, you conveniently failed to include the interesting stats that show what a gem SA really is...

Murders with firearms (per capita)
#1 South Africa: 0.719782 per 1,000 people
#2 Colombia: 0.509801 per 1,000 people
#3 Thailand: 0.312093 per 1,000 people
#4 Zimbabwe: 0.0491736 per 1,000 people
#5 Mexico: 0.0337938 per 1,000 people
#6 Belarus: 0.0321359 per 1,000 people
#7 Costa Rica: 0.0313745 per 1,000 people
#8 United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people
#9 Uruguay: 0.0245902 per 1,000 people
#10 Lithuania: 0.0230748 per 1,000 people

Murders (per capita)
#1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people
#2 South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people
#3 Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people
#4 Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people
#5 Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people
#6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people
#7 Estonia: 0.107277 per 1,000 people
#8 Latvia: 0.10393 per 1,000 people
#9 Lithuania: 0.102863 per 1,000 people
#10 Belarus: 0.0983495 per 1,000 people

 

[news24]

news24, you conveniently failed to include the interesting stats that show what a gem SA really is...

No thats not convinient, just showing that all countries are not immune to crime, including the much glorified heavens of Australia, New Zealand, UK and Canada.

I also thought that I mentioned in big A$$ font size that what sets South Africa from other countries is the incredibly high levels of violent crimes.

 

[news24]

There's no "stat" that will BS the South African public into believing the current rampant crime (of all sorts) is the "norm".

One of the major problems is "culture" , or the lack of, and poor role models like Jacob Zuma and his cronies.
Just think about it, the youth gain inspiration from their leaders, and here we have JZ cheating on his five wives by raping an HIV+ young girl, taking a shower thereafter to avert AIDS, and abusing (raping) the justice system to avoid joining his co-accused that's currently serving a jail term.
We have chiefs of police like Selebi receiving benefits from organised crime, and McBride defeating the ends of justice in his drunk drive case, and the senior judge Mutato crashing his car into a wall while driving drunk then too attempting to defeat the ends of justice, .............. the list goes on.

As for Motata, its up to the court to prove wheather he was drunk or not. It seems a lot of people wants Motata grilled, same people who drive while holding a handset on the other hand, driving intoxicated, medicated and tired. But hey, this is South Africa, right?

Put yourself in the shoes of the people you've mentioned above. Already it seems, that you've tried and judged them in the court of public opinion. What happened to innocent till proven guilty? Thats supposed to be the cornerstone of democracy.

As for role models, I don't know, it seems that your out of touch. Todays youth are less influenced by politicians than they are by celebrities, foreign or local.

The major problem is that people to not report crime. When I was growing up, there was a man always selling car radio, he did not have a car, but people always bought because prices were low, same with other people selling expensive cameras and equipment at insanely cheap prices were never reported.

A Family member rapes one member of the family, and the family let it slide. A wife gets beat up by her spouse, and she believes that he will change, sticks around and eventually gets killed.

Bottom line is, South African families are sick(no offense). Most murders and rapes are committed by family members. Sucks but true

 

[FRTY]

If you read the history books, they say there was a lot of thievery happening from 400 years ago. It was a national pass time, so nothing new.

 

[news24]

What also matters are the statistics, how were they taken, countries with better governments usually prevent crime better, which is why they lock more up.

The stats that I posted are not of arrests, but of committed crimes....

 

[news24]

According to NationMaster.com, South Africa the highest worldwide, per capita for:
#1 for Manslaughter
#2 worldwide for Murder
#1 for Rape, we are double the runnerup
#4 for Robberies
#1 for Assaults
#10 for Burglaries (Every nabourhood here already has an army of security guards behind it.
#18 for car theft (we don't even have a high capita of cars)
#14 for Fraud (We aren't even that corperate, we are third world)
#1 for Kidnapping
#4 for Drug Offenses(not weighted per capita, but those above us have a larger population)

If you ever work for any stats company, people are going to loose faith. For rapes, South Africa is 66% higher than runner up, for every 1195 raped in South Africa, 788 people are raped in Seychelles.

Car theft per capita, it does not have anything to do with population, that of people or cars. For every 1000 cars in Australia, 7 are stolen, it does not matter if they have 1 billion cars or 3 million cars.

Looks like we are doing good when it comes to buglaries, Australia is number one.

Overall crimes (per capita) (most recent) by country

#1 Dominica: 113.822 per 1,000 people
#2 New Zealand: 105.881 per 1,000 people
#3 Finland: 101.526 per 1,000 people
#4 Denmark: 92.8277 per 1,000 people
#5 Chile: 88.226 per 1,000 people
#6 United Kingdom: 85.5517 per 1,000 people
#7 Montserrat: 80.3982 per 1,000 people
#8 United States: 80.0645 per 1,000 people
#9 Netherlands: 79.5779 per 1,000 people
#10 South Africa: 77.1862 per 1,000 people

Austalian Data unavailable

Bare in mind, South Africa is the capital of violent crimes....

 

[PeterCH]

Who is everyone, it seems your response to my thread is based on emotion, which is totally ok, based on the nature of the subject


my initial thread post was based on 2003 research article.

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All the statistics above are nothing to be proud of, in fact, I am ashamed.

#1Assults per capita(most recent results)

To comment about that. These stats are generall OVER reported for 1st world countries and under reported for the others, especially for South Africa. Secondly they will also be biased by the fact that people in first world countries tend to consider more minor types of physical contact as assault,
so a bouncer getting nasty with a patron will more likely be assault in Australia than in South Africa, especially with the fact that people take more
civil legal action against people in the 1st world than in SA. If I remember a typical Saturday working in a trauma unit I would end up seeing about a 100 assault cases coming through the doors but only about 20% of those people ever coming back with a J88 (that's a police form to document the nature of the injuries) - of those who came back not everyone ever went to the police with the completed form as cops would often (and still do) not open cases before the physician wrote his comments. To comment further I was only in court for 2 cases of assault ever - to testify for the prosecution.

Car Thefts per Capita(Most Recent - The general trend in the 1st world countries is to steal your car and not hijack it. Criminals in the 1st world tend to be more capable of deactivating alarm and immobiliser systems - even sophisticated ones. The general trend is for less violence in those countries than in SA where the general approach is car theft is armed confrontation with the driver - ie car hijacking.

Burglaries (per capita) (most recent) - again we have a serious issue of under reporting of crime in SA by the victims as well as terrible levels of incompetence and negigence by certain police officers who refuse to document certain crimes to avoid doing paperwork. It's a rampant problem, one only needs to speak to a person living in an area like Khayalitsha or
Mitchell's Plein to confirm this. In the First world people tend to over report crime especially for the purposes of insurance. In SA there is an opposite trend. Secondly in SA we have criminals preferring a violent confrontation to
actual breaking and entering when no-one is around type of approach because of the same reasons as mentioned under the car theft section. Many houses in the well off suburbs are well protected and this makes entry very difficult - a far easier way is to confront the occupant outside his residence and gain forceful entry that way. I think I can speak for most people and say that being burglared while you're away from home is a far more pleasant experience than being assaulted and tied up while you're being robbed.

Robberies per capita - SA is no 4. I'm not sure why the stats are so high for Spain but again the under reporting issue is a big one in SA.

Overall the general trend is that there is MORE violent crime in SA than in the 1st world and much of the 3rd world. There may or may not be a lesser amount of non-violent crime (car theft and home burglaries) in certain areas of the 1st world than in SA but again our stats in SA are corrupted terribly by the under reporting of crime and ineffectiveness of police in documenting the crime WHEN it does get reported.

 

[news24]

agreed, Culture is certainly the most disgusting aspect of south africa, especially in the Cape, the Cape Flats culture even far outweighing any of the rest. - view the stats for cape town

This must change. can we change people, we need change, if we can't change it, the fsck this land, or it will just fsck itself.


I say double the police, multiply the prisions and lockem up for longer, no sh*t policy, from anybody in this country, we have to take down all offenders now, keep them away from society, we have to start a war on crime.

+1 Lock them, and throw the key away, this country is full multiple offenders and crime repeaters

 

[PeterCH]

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?p=2082513

There is a great write up about the crime issue albeit organised crime, in SA.