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Interesting.

http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d5200/index.htm

I guess they are using the same sensor as the D3200 (we'll probably only know for sure once ChipWorks get their hands on it), but opted for the D7000 AF & metering subsystems.

Now I am dying to know what they are going to do with the D7000 replacement, or the D400 (if it ever happens).

They did hold back on a few things, e.g., Flash sync is only 1/200 s (unlike 1/250 s on D7000), and max shutter speed is only 1/4000. Both of those are unlikely to matter most of the time, though, unless you are often using fast lenses in full sunlight with fill flash ...
 
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something i notice is that even there budget cameras have a higher pixel count then canon. Wonder why canon doesn't do the same
 
something i notice is that even there budget cameras have a higher pixel count then canon. Wonder why canon doesn't do the same

Nikon is taking advantage of recent improvements in sensor technologies such as Back Side Illumination (BSI) and on-sensor amplifiers. This started with the 16 MP sensor in the D7000/D5100, and continues with other recent releases (D3200, D5200, D600, D800). Nikon (together with Sony and Renesas) are now using 25 nm and 18 nm process technologies, which allows them to produce smaller photosites (pixel) while still keeping the fill-factor (fraction of the sensor that is actually collecting light) high.

Canon has been using more-or-less the same sensor in APS-C now for many years. I think the 500D, 550D, 600D, 60D, and 7D all use the same 18MP sensor. Even the 650D appears to be the same sensor, but with some phase-detection AF additions.

Canon has been stuck on a 50 nm process technology since the moved to CMOS sensors. If they try to increase the pixel count, they end up with a lower fill-factor, i.e, you will get smaller pixels, but a larger fraction of your sensor will not be collecting light. Based on this info, I think Canon is smart not to chase higher megapixel sensors, since they will definitely end up with worse image quality than what they have now (which is already one generation behind Nikon). I have seen rumours of a high-megapixel FF Canon body (3D), which may indicate that they are busy moving to a smaller manufacturing process (e.g., 25 nm), so maybe next year this time they will have caught up again. Who knows?

Even so, it is not entirely clear-cut that a 24 MP APS-C sensor will be that much better than, say, a 16 MP APS-C sensor. According to the DxO tests, the D3200 does indeed perform better than the D7000, but this is only if you are comparing image quality at the same print size. In other words, smaller pixels are not a disadvantage as long as you resits the urge to crop; once you start cropping too much, the higher noise associated with smaller pixels will start to show. In addition, if you compare a 100% view of the an image captured on a D3200 with the same image captured on a D7000 using an older lens (e.g., Nikkor 18-200 mm), then the limitations of the lens will be more visible in the D3200 shot (e.g., more visible chromatic aberration, and more visible diffraction blurring). These problems disappear once you compare uncropped images printed at the same size.

So in general, I have no issues with the move towards ever higher resolution sensors, but you have to understand that you will still need the correct lenses so that you never have to crop too much.
 
Because pixel count isn't everything.

Yes, I agree. But this is also an amusing reversal: When Canon started introducing the 18 MP APS-C sensors, Nikon was still "stuck" at 12 MP (or D3s vs 5DII!), Nikon supporters were also saying that "pixel count isn't everything" :)
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying pixel count isn't everything from a "I'm a user of x and I support them" perspective - I mean, look at the Hasselblad digital backs. 40mp right up to 120mp? Yesplease.

But, as you outlined already, chromatic aberration, which is a physical aspect of the lens down to the imaging plane, becomes more apparent since those abhurrations are going to cover more physical sensor area and thus more pixels, rendering those extra pixels useless if your lens isn't up to snuff.

That's why I don't believe pixels are everything. Not until we have lenses that have CA so small they've 'caught up' with pixel densities and sharpness that justifies having that pixel count, anyway.
 
Because pixel count isn't everything.

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Higher pixel density generally has a negative effect on light sensitivity and therefore noise levels although it's not so clear cut due to different technologies being used.
As a general rule of thumb the lower the pixel density (larger sensor and/or lower resolution) the better the light sensitivity.
That is because larger photo diodes can be used on the sensor which are capable of gathering more light thus increasing light sensitivity.
However as technology is pushed forward and smaller and more sensitive photo diodes can be manufactured the pixel densities can increase without having an adverse effect on noise levels.
 
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And for those of you wondering just how bad some CA can get, go have a look at these lenses as examples;
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=403
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=121
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=480

Canon 50mm f/1.2L
Canon 35mm f/1.4L
Canon 24mm f/1.4L II

Crops of all three tested wide-open on a Canon 1Ds Mark III, which has a pixel count of 21.1mp. Going any higher in MP wouldn't have any benefit whatsoever if still using those lenses.
 
That's why I don't believe pixels are everything. Not until we have lenses that have CA so small they've 'caught up' with pixel densities and sharpness that justifies having that pixel count, anyway.

Well, lateral CA is not really the part that worries me. You can correct lateral CA in software by simply rescaling the red and blue channels relative to the green channel. Smaller pixels give you more oversampling, so this scaling will be more accurate, i.e., software CA correction actually benefits from increased sensor resolution.

But I still prefer not having lateral CA in the first place (as do you, I gather). If we are talking about a trade-off in a lens design, though, I would be willing to deal with increased lateral CA if some other aspect can be improved dramatically (e.g., longitudinal CA).

The real challenge is the other physical phenomenon: Diffraction. I have a gone through the math a bit (on my blog), and the bottom line is that smaller pixels effectively mean you have to use faster lens apertures to see the resolution gains. For example, on a 7.8 micron pixel pitch sensor (e.g., D40) you could get away with f/16 without too much fuss. With a 4.73 micron pitch (D7000), the same (relative to pixel size) level of blur is already visible at f/11 (roughly). Taken to its logical conclusion, you would have to end up shooting at f/2.8 or faster one day :)

It is possible to reverse the effects of diffraction in software using deconvolution, but sensor noise will prevent you from doing this without side effects. The sharpening filter in LightRoom (and ACR) uses a combination of Richardson-Lucy deconvolution and unsharp masking to undo the blurring induced by the AA filter and diffraction, but as you will know, pumping up the sharpening also makes the noise more visible.

In terms of lens design, this probably means we either have to move towards even faster lenses (e.g., f/1.4) so that they still have reasonably large apertures (e.g., f/4) after we have stopped them down to improve sharpness, or that we need more lenses that are already very sharp at their maximum aperture. From my experience, something like the Sigma 17-50 mm f/2.8 is already very sharp at f/2.8, and does not improve all that much upon further stopping down.

Clearly the main problem is that DOF will be affected by using larger apertures. So our options are somewhat limited going into the future: stick to printing at current sizes (e.g., 12x8 inch) where diffraction and other effects are still under control, so we can still use smaller apertures, or move to larger format cameras so that we have to magnify less to obtain the desired print size.
 
In my experience you cannot always correct for CA without negatively impacting the image quality, whether longitudinal or lateral. If you have suggestions for specific software that proves otherwise, I'd like to try them out.
 
That is because larger photo diodes can be used on the sensor which are capable of gathering more light thus increasing light sensitivity.
However as technology is pushed forward and smaller and more sensitive photo diodes can be manufactured the pixel densities can increase without having an adverse effect on noise levels.

Yes and no. It depends entirely on how you define noise, and how you wish to present the final image. One view is to compare per-pixel noise, the other is to compare noise in the final printed image (or fixed display resolution, for that matter).

There are two main noise sources in the images captured by current imaging sensors: read noise, and photon shot noise. (There are actually more noise sources, but this approximation is good enough for the current discussion).

Photon shot noise is a physical phenomenon (random arrival of photons per unit area), and we cannot do anything about it. A larger photosite will collect more photons, so photon shot noise will be lower relative to the signal level. Conclusion: larger photosites = lower noise.

The problem with that argument is that taken to its absurd conclusion, we would build a sensor with only one pixel, since that will minimise photon shot noise.

But there is a trick: photon shot noise is a function of the total light sensitive area, not the pixel size. In other words, if I take one large pixel, and split it into four equal sub-pixels, then I can simply add the values recorded by the four smaller pixels to obtain the same value as the original larger pixel. In short: downsizing the a higher-resolution image has the same (beneficial) effect of reducing photon shot noise as we would obtain by using larger pixels.

Of course, this is a crude approximation, and we really have to take into account the amount of "dead area" on the sensor, which will typically increase as you decrease the size of individual pixels. This again implies that larger pixels would be better in practice.

The other type of noise, read noise, can be reduced by using better technology such as the on-sensor amplifiers in the recent Nikon and Sony sensors. If you can pull the read noise down low enough, then the photon shot noise becomes the dominant noise source. This implies that the "downsample a higher resolution image" approach to reducing photon shot noise becomes very effective. This is why the D800 is at the top of the DxO charts (they use downsampled 8 MP images for their tests). It also explains why the Nokia PureView 808 produces such great-looking 8 MP images.

So here is how I see the noise issue: You have a target size you wish to display your final image at. You also have an "acceptable amount of noise" in mind. If your target display size is small (say, 12x8 print), then you could either use a 12 MP sensor or a 36 MP sensor; downsampling the 36 MP sensor can definitely match the 12 MP sensor in terms of noise performance (think higher ISO, not necessarily extremely high ISO). At some point (very high ISO) the 12 MP sensor may end up winning, depending on the fill factors of the sensors we are comparing.

The benefit of the 36 MP sensor is that it will be able to reach that "acceptable amount of noise" at full resolution under the right conditions (good light, low ISO). The 12 MP sensor will do just as well noise-wise under the same conditions (probably slightly better), but you only have 12 MP's worth of pixels, so less detail.

Based on this view, we should not fight the trend towards increasing sensor resolution, since on average we will be better off with more pixels. (us, and the memory card manufacturers, of course).
 
In my experience you cannot always correct for CA without negatively impacting the image quality, whether longitudinal or lateral. If you have suggestions for specific software that proves otherwise, I'd like to try them out.

The problem with most photography orientated software with regards to CA correction is oversimplification. They make the assumption that there is a "representative lens" on which they measure the actual CA to determine the scaling factors for the red and blue bands.

To obtain the best possible results, you have to measure the CA on your own copy of the lens. For example, the optical centre of your lens is typically not in the centre of your sensor, and the radial scaling required for CA correction must be centred on the actual optical centre. Along the same lines, the exact scaling factors required for the CA correction will vary from one copy of the lens to the next. Lastly, the radial distortion of your copy of the lens must be taken into account.

All these parameters can be obtained by performing a "camera calibration" exercise with something like OpenCV. Fortunately, you can download an application from the Adobe labs website that puts a decent user interface on this process (cannot recall the name of the app, though). This generates your own lens-specific correction profile that works in LightRoom and ACR.

The painful part, though, is that you have to perform these measurements at all apertures and focal lengths.

But you are right about one thing: even if you have perfect data to undo the CA, the mere act of rescaling the blue and red channels will blur your image slightly, so you cannot undo CA perfectly.
 
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