Dagga boy wins his case

D3x! said:
it is massively long and not really focused to the subject specifically, so if you care to explain then do so. the point is not if hardcore users start using dagga, that is irrelevant.
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You're making the claim that cannabis is a gateway drug so why don't you show us the evidence you used to come to this conclusion? You seem pretty convinced so the evidence must be compelling.
 
Sherbang said:
You're making the claim that cannabis is a gateway drug so why don't you show us the evidence you used to come to this conclusion? You seem pretty convinced so the evidence must be compelling.
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that's fine then, I will not continue to debate with someone who posts links to massively long content and not caring to explain the point they make to it.
 
D3x! said:
can you please stay on topic on contribute thanks.
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So you get called on to provide evidence, now you are suddenly concerned about staying on topic, convenient...
 
D3x! said:
that's fine then, I will not continue to debate with someone who posts links to massively long content and not caring to explain the point they make to it.
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You're making the claim that cannabis is a gateway drug so why don't you show us the evidence you used to come to this conclusion? You seem pretty convinced so the evidence must be compelling.
 
D3x! said:
that's fine then, I will not continue to debate with someone who posts links to massively long content and not caring to explain the point they make to it.
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Here are some points D3x!

1) In 2013, an estimated 24.6 million Americans aged 12 or older were current illicit drug users.
- Of these 19.8 million used cannabis
- 4.8 million used hard drugs
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That means that only a quarter the number of cannabis users (24%), used hard drugs and of that quarter, 30% of hard drug users never used cannabis first:
2) About 70% of people who use drugs started with cannabis as the first drug they ever tried.
That means 30% started with hard drugs, without ever trying cannabis.
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So you do the maths here -
24.million drug users.
19.8 million cannabis users.
1.8 million hard drug users who never used cannabis
3 million hard drug users who began with cannabis.

20 million cannabis users, 3 million who moved to harder drugs - about 15%

That means 75% of cannabis user didn't move to hard drugs

Not much of a case for cannabis to be considered a 'gateway drug' is it?
 
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Garson007 said:
They don't?

I'm pretty sure that if it's in the rules, the school is allowed to expel based on drug tests.

I do not wish to know what the future of this kid will be like.
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Considering the many successful people (including ones on the Forbes Lists) I know who openly smoke Marijuana I think it would all depends on weather he does so responsibly or not.
 
Well, Sherbang, one must admire your willingness to have faith in his ability to comprehend that post. It was nice to see someone go to the effort of breaking the stats down.

But yeah, I don't think he's gonna learn; and that goes double for his posting "style". The final ban draws nigh.
 
Sherbang said:
Here are some points D3x!

1) In 2013, an estimated 24.6 million Americans aged 12 or older were current illicit drug users.
- Of these 19.8 million used cannabis
- 4.8 million used hard drugs
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That means that only a quarter the number of cannabis users (24%), used hard drugs and of that quarter, 30% of hard drug users never used cannabis first:
2) About 70% of people who use drugs started with cannabis as the first drug they ever tried.
That means 30% started with hard drugs, without ever trying cannabis.
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So you do the maths here -
24.million drug users.
19.8 million cannabis users.
1.8 million hard drug users who never used cannabis
3 million hard drug users who began with cannabis.

20 million cannabis users, 3 million who moved to harder drugs - about 15%

That means 75% of cannabis user didn't move to hard drugs

Not much of a case for cannabis to be considered a 'gateway drug' is it?
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great argument there, thanks for taking the time to explain it.

assuming those numbers are correct, which i doubt, any idea how the numbers were obtained? (this is likely in the states)

3 million drug users who started on cannabis before moving to other drug use while I agree in the scope is low, is still too damn high. So (wait for it) I will agree to the fact that the level of which it promotes further substance abuse, in the scope, is low. presciption pain killers for example is worse.

the users of as you say hard drugs who never used cannabis is still lower than those who did, by close to double.

1.8 million hard drug users who never used cannabis
3 million hard drug users who began with cannabis.
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incredibly from the chart regulated drug abuse is much higher than unregulated, which also isnt great for the pro argument.
 
Drug use is not neccessarily drug abuse.
 
D3x! said:
incredibly from the chart regulated drug abuse is much higher than unregulated, which also isnt great for the pro argument.
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What isn't great for those who support drug prohibition is that it simply doesn't work. No matter how much the state spends on enforcing drug laws it makes no difference whatsoever. For example:
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Sherbang said:
What isn't great for those who support drug prohibition is that it simply doesn't work. No matter how much the state spends on enforcing drug laws it makes no difference whatsoever. For example:
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i do not disagree that much money is effectively wasted enforcing drug relations but because of other reasons i dont agree that the answer is legalisation. Also that there includes all drugs, and also negates the argument of cannabis addiction
 
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