Datapro

Karnaugh said:
Although it's good for people to see this in a way, I really think it belongs as a private discussion. Little unproffesional.
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I disagree. I have publically voiced my support for Datapro over the years (http://rodent.za.net/DataPro) and on these forums many a time. I have actually been proud of the fact that I host at Datapro and have marveled over their service on these forums too, publically.

I think it's good to make one's views known, no matter how gritty they are. You do so daily on your blog.
 
Karnaugh said:
Business complains between businesses should be done in confidentiality, especialy given DataPro's situation - their marketing and package formation is their own business. I don't see any need for them to be brought to the stake in a public forum about it, there is enough competition for people to make their own choices.
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The point was illustrative. It may as well have been provider fooISP if you read the entire post. Whether or not I actually host at Datapro is irrelevant. The fact that I do, is no secret.

This is a complaint about Doug's stance, and my point has been to try to illustrate how supporting the model is actually bad for their business. This is hardly a witchhunt or a public flogging.

The fact is, that given my argument, it makes sense for people to rather host at Internet Solutions (given the free local gigs), or elsewhere if you use DSL as the business tool it's intended to connect to your hosted servers.
 
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For the record, I'm in the process of moving all my client hosting overseas for the simple reason of economics.

Now there's a hard cap coming into play, a small degradation in speed is worth it for a massive reduction in cost and insane increase in disk space and traffic.

I think TheRodent is 100% correct in predicting a huge shift away from South African data centres in favour of International unless ISP's can offer something comparable.

Certainly the price won't be matched any time soon.

500gig HD space, 8 domains and unlimited traffic at R100 a month for a "small potatoes" freelance web designer is a lot more appealing than 500mb HD space, 8 domains and 3gb traffic for R470 a month !

Now imagine how much saving could be made for people requiring several dedicated servers ?

Once again, Telkom put a spanner in the works for local businesses.
 
bb_matt - I see what you're saying, but there are other ISPs offering local options (such as ourselves). 30gb of local on ADSL should be plenty for most people.

Also, bear in mind that the majority of our internet users are on leased lines and dial-ups (corporates with large employees, etc) and local speeds are a lot better for them. Commercially, I think local hosting is still the most valuable.
 
bb_matt said:
For the record, I'm in the process of moving all my client hosting overseas for the simple reason of economics.

Now there's a hard cap coming into play, a small degradation in speed is worth it for a massive reduction in cost and insane increase in disk space and traffic.
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You'll be surprised. Unless there are international issues, you'll find the international hosting alternatives alot faster.
 
You cannot blame a company for acting within the parameters of that company's home country. No matter what way you look at it, Telkom contols telecoms in this country and until changes are made here what companies do will not matter in the long run because Telkom will come up with a change to their own structures/systems to block it.
 
matt156 / Karnaugh

I wonder if there's been any research on this ?
Certainly none of the clients I've moved over so far are unhappy.
I don't think they really know the difference or what I've done.

If international is a bit slower, say, for dialup users, it's a decent tradeoff for cost. I can charge my clients a bit less and still make more money.

The only concern is when SAIX decides to stuff up and international speeds die or slow down significantly - something that has happened a lot recently.
 
yes, bb_matt has a point. is there any references to indicate the differences in speed, if any, between hosting locally and hosting overseas? if not, who would be able to compare?

i think dial up is less prone to problems than ADSL, since it doesnt get shaped.
 
R4tt3xx said:
You cannot blame a company for acting within the parameters of that company's home country.
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This is my argument. Datapro has always been innovative. They had one of the first uncapped DSL solutions, and a whole whack of other innovations.

There is innovation to be done around ADSL, and we've seen it from a whole lot of the ISP's on the 1st October. I'm saddened that Datapro seem to be simply willing to be a follower on this front.

There is a way to think out of the box, as many of the smaller ISP's have shown.
 
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