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lewstherin

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Hi ppl

This topic is more of a comment than anything else...
As one of the guys that was around this time last year eagerly watching Sentech's service going live, I have to say that I'm getting serious deja vu - but a kind of deja vu in fast forward...

The rate at which iBurst's service has gone from anticipation to outright frustration has beaten even Sentech's record...if memory serves me correctly the Sentech trouble started in April, about 3 months after officially launching.

WBS has yet to launch and already the pawpaw has hit the fan...

Me...once bitten twice shy...DSL here I come :D
 
lewistherin - you'll get Dave Ogg all defensive again, careful ! :D

Apparently we're not allowed to make comparisons because we don't have iBust ...
 
65MB download in 10mins 1 sec.
Openoffice from tucows.saix.net.
No need to be defensive.
Feel free to compare it to what you want.
Oh yes before it gets pointed out i know that means i will reach my cap in 7,5 hrs. Its not perfect but its a start.
 
bb_matt said:
Apparently we're not allowed to make comparisons because we don't have iBust ...
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Its not about being allowed to - it's about being QUALIFIED to, since you are judging Iburst soley on other comments expressed in this forum. In essence, you are blowing out secondhand smoke.

The idea of this forum IS to post actual problems, complaints, and difficulties. Subscribers who are experiencing few difficulties are not going to be spending too much time here.

The other idea behind this forum is to share real experiences, workarounds, tips and suggestions, etc, so that those who use the service can get the most out of Iburst. In that way we can be of use to each other.

The other idea is to be a pressure group to WBS so that we can get improvements in the service we receive.

Clearly some users are experiencing HUGE PROBLEMS, but the main idea of this forum is to be constructive, not destructive.

What would be the point in me going to the Sentech forum, or the ADSL forum and slagging off those services when I have absolutely no experience of them. My comments there would be worthless.

Similarly, you are perfectly free to express your opinions here, and even gloat over the problems of others. But just understand that, in the absense of actual Iburst experience, your opinions about the service will be viewed as glib, secondhand and worthless.
 
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Having iBurst and commenting on it obviously means one has a better quality of comment. However, this aint the matrix folks - you dont have to see it for yourself :D

There are plenty of pings/speedtests and other benchmark results showing the service results - and whilst such things are really not that accurate, when one sees the same ping from 10 different people showing the same kind of performance...well it becomes a bit obvious.
Also when the iBurst forum begins to hold more bitching and complaining than compliments (ala MyWireless forum circa April 2004), well then things also become clear...

So by all means ppl with iBurst can go ahead and comment - I definitely value their opinions over non iBursters...this topic was more a kind of historical landmark for me to look back on in a year's time.

I sincerely hope I'll be laughing with you iBursters rather than crying with you all...
 
lewstherin said:
Having iBurst and commenting on it obviously means one has a better quality of comment. However, this aint the matrix folks - you dont have to see it for yourself :D
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Fair enough.

And I can only speak in my own case as far as performance and pings. I haven't posted any lately because THERE IS NOTHING WRONG with either. I am getting 800-950 kbps on the MyADSL speed test. My local pings are averaging <100ms, Internatinoal pings are generally 300ms-500ms. And I
regularly max out the 1Mbps when multithreading local or international.

When I have problems, though, I will be back and bitching.

The point is, you cannot make an unbiased judgement based on forum comments. They will clearly and obviously be skewed towards the negative.
 
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I think the point here is that despite all the flurry of posts about iBurst problems, WBS have FAILED to even send out a simple email.

BTW Dylan told me on 2005-01-24 they were going to send out an apology email to all iBurst customers on Monday evening (same day), I haven't had any email from WBS at all, not even the promised email with amounts to be debited.

The worst thing about iBurst is that WBS are involved with it. A communications company that is incapable of communicating, no surprise that iBurst stopped communicating as well.​
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Gatecrasher said:
Its not about being allowed to - it's about being QUALIFIED to, since you are judging Iburst soley on other comments expressed in this forum. In essence, you are blowing out secondhand smoke.

The idea of this forum IS to post actual problems, complaints, and difficulties. Subscribers who are experiencing few difficulties are not going to be spending too much time here.

The other idea behind this forum is to share real experiences, workarounds, tips and suggestions, etc, so that those who use the service can get the most out of Iburst. In that way we can be of use to each other.

The other idea is to be a pressure group to WBS so that we can get improvements in the service we receive.

Clearly some users are experiencing HUGE PROBLEMS, but the main idea of this forum is to be constructive, not destructive.

What would be the point in me going to the Sentech forum, or the ADSL forum and slagging off those services when I have absolutely no experience of them. My comments there would be worthless.

Similarly, you are perfectly free to express your opinions here, and even gloat over the problems of others. But just understand that, in the absense of actual Iburst experience, your opinions about the service will be viewed as glib, secondhand and worthless.
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There are people on this forum that have watched these matters unfold before with other providers. And yes, the resemblance is uncanny. A new service consists of hard and soft aspects. Many on this forum are vastly more qualified than you to comment on all soft aspects of iBurst's launch. Which they are doing and will continue to do.

The purpose of these forums is not limited to your own unilateral specifications.

So I suggest you enjoy a nice cup of STFU and watch and learn rather than lowering the SNR ratio.
 
hArTh said:
So I suggest you enjoy a nice cup of STFU and watch and learn rather than lowering the SNR ratio.
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The one thing I will not do is STFU. :mad:

Be as arrogant as you like, hArTh, but you certainly don't have exclusive rights to the truth.

Actually... noone has. :D
 
hArTh said:
http://www.mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=17217
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So what you're saying is: "Deja Vu". And soon Iburst will be as responsive and relaible as the Sentech one in the above comparison. There is hope for us yet!

I read quite a bit of the Sentech forum before opting for Iburst. I'm shocked having read and swallowed all the tirades against Sentech on that forum that 128kbps is even possible on their service.

You see, nothing is ever black and white. Which is why I would rather read about actual experiences.
 
Its now roughly 2.5 months later...and all I can say is "wow".

The iBurst forum still seems to be following the Sentech forum's star lifespan:

It started out as a small star...
Since then its been growing at an exponential pace, getting more and more heated all the time...
Will it finally implode and become a white dwarf?

Time will tell...

All I can say is that this is all very, very sad. iBursties...don't let your forum go the path of the Sentech forum...

When will we see good broadband service and true affordability over any medium?
 
lewstherin said:
iBursties...don't let your forum go the path of the Sentech forum...
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We are powerless to prevent it when certain non-ibursters keep popping over here singing the same old worn-out tune. And smuggly raking up ancient threads with their big wooden spoons.
 
There is nothing smug about my intentions when ressurecting this thread...

I'm hoping it will act more as a means of providing historical evidence of the iBurst's forum's progression...as well as an incentive to iBurst customers and iBurst themselves to keep bettering the service...

This whole "ADSL ppl stick to their forum/iBurst ppl stick to their forum" mentality is ridiculous.
Ultimately we are all broadband consumers, and as such there is much common ground for everyone - we all want the same things here.
 
'as well as an incentive to iBurst customers and iBurst themselves to keep bettering the service...'
They are and have been. Period.
 
There is absolutely no point to the whole "Deja Vu" perspective.

Yes, there are similarities between Sentech and WBS. It would be more miraculous if there weren't. They are both wireless, not copper. They have both had problems with service delivery and PR (not unlike Telkom).

But there are many, many more differences too. As comparisons go it is simplistic and mindless. You think you are adding insight, but you are not.

It is really pointless using Sentech as a reference to Iburst. It will get us nowhere.

And even if there was a point, that point was made eons ago.

You don't use Iburst, but your first post on this thread ends "Me...once bitten twice shy...DSL here I come."

You have posted your flag to the mast. How can we expect anything even approaching objectivity from you?

This whole "ADSL ppl stick to their forum/iBurst ppl stick to their forum" mentality is ridiculous.
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Come here by all means. But you wont find me on the ADSL forum telling everyone there that 512/384kbps is kkkrap they should all switch to Iburst.

If you want to contribute, find something practical and constructive to say that will be for the betterment of Iburst users. This "Deja Vu" nonsense has worn thin and is just plain stupid.
 
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