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Charles and David Koch are each worth about $25bn, which makes them the fourth richest Americans. When you combine their fortunes, they are the third wealthiest people in the world. Radical libertarians who use their money to oppose government and virtually all regulation as interference with the free market, the Kochs are in a class of their own as players on the American political stage. Their web of influence in the US stretches from state capitals to the halls of congress in Washington DC.

The Koch brothers fueled the conservative Tea Party movement that vigorously opposes Barack Obama, the US president. They fund efforts to derail action on global warming, and support politicians who object to raising taxes on corporations or the wealthy to help fix America’s fiscal problems. According to New Yorker writer Jane Mayer, who wrote a groundbreaking exposé of the Kochs in 2010, they have built a top to bottom operation to shape public policy that has been "incredibly effective. They are so rich that their pockets are almost bottomless, and they can keep pouring money into this whole process".

Koch industries, the second largest privately-held company in the US, is an oil refining, chemical, paper products and financial services company with revenues of a $100bn a year. Virtually every American household has some Koch product - from paper towels and lumber, to Stainmaster carpet and Lycra in sports clothes, to gasoline for cars. The Koch’s political philosophy of rolling back environmental and financial regulations is also beneficial to their business interests.

The Kochs rarely talk to the press, and conduct their affairs behind closed doors. But at a secret meeting of conservative activists and funders the Kochs held in Vail, Colorado this past summer, someone made undercover recordings. One caught Charles Koch urging participants to dig deep into their pockets to defeat Obama. "This is the mother of all wars we've got in the next 18 months," he says, "for the life or death of this country." He called out the names of 31 people at the Vail meeting who each contributed more than*$1m over the past 12 months.

In the 2010 congressional elections, the Kochs and their partners spent at least $40m, helping to swing the balance of power in the US House of Representatives towards right-wing Tea Party Republicans. It has been reported that the Kochs are planning to raise and spend more than $200m to defeat*Obama in 2012. But the brothers could easily kick in more without anyone knowing due to loopholes in*US law.

The Kochs founded and provide millions to Americans for Prosperity, a political organisation that builds grassroots support for conservative causes and candidates. Americans for Prosperity, which has 33 state chapters and claims to have about*two million members, has close ties to Tea Party groups and played a key role in opposing Obama's health care initiative.

This year, Americans for Prosperity spent at least half a million dollars supporting Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker's efforts to cut social spending and roll back collective bargaining rights for public employee unions. The legislation passed by Walker makes it more difficult for unions, which are major backers of Democratic candidates, to secure funds for political purposes. Americans for Prosperity is also very active in a battle against unions in Ohio, another important 2012 presidential state. Its president, Tim Phillips, says that the organisation is winning in Wisconsin and around the country "because on the policies of economic freedom, we're right". He refused to tell People & Power reporter Bob Abeshouse how much the organisation is spending to combat the unions.

The Kochs have also poured millions into think tanks and academia to influence the battle over ideas. According to Kert Davies, the director of research for Greenpeace in the US, the Kochs have spent more than $50m since 1998 on "various front groups and think tanks who ... oppose the consensus view that climate change is real, urgent and we have to do something about it". As operators of oil pipelines and refineries, the Kochs have opposed all efforts to encourage alternative sources of energy by imposing a tax on fossil fuels.

Patrick Michaels, a senior fellow at the CATO Institute, often appears in the media to contest global warming science. CATO was founded by Charles Koch, and the Kochs and their foundations have contributed about*$14m to CATO. Since 2009, there has been a sharp drop in the percentage of Americans who see global warming as a serious threat according to Gallup polls. Davies argues that the change can be attributed in large measure to the efforts of scientists like Michaels and others who are funded by the fossil fuel industry.

The Kochs have also promoted their free market ideology and business interests through aggressive lobbying in Washington DC, and financial support of political candidates. Greenpeace has tracked more than $50m that Koch Industries has spent on lobbyists since 2006, when Cap and Trade and other legislation to combat global warming was being considered. The Kochs have been the largest political spender since 2000 in the energy sector, exceeding Exxon, Chevron, and other major players.*

The Kochs contributed to 62 of the 87 new members of the US House of Representatives in 2010. Members of the House Energy and Commerce Committee that the Kochs supported have taken the lead in opposing US Environmental Protection Agency efforts to reduce global warming emissions. Other members backed by the Kochs belong to the right-wing Tea Party bloc that took the US to the brink of default in July by refusing to consider a budget deal that would include tax increases.

In 2012, many believe that President Obama can raise a billion dollars for the presidential race, and break all fundraising records. But as Lee Fang of the Center for American Progress tells reporter Bob Abeshouse, in the end it may not matter "because the Koch brothers alone increased their wealth by $11bn in the last two years".

http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/peopleandpower/2011/10/2011102683719370179.html
 
Yes, and certain people cannot understand why people like me loathe the anti Obama crowd - they's a bloody bunch of crooks!! :mad:
 
Ah the big bad corporate boogeymen. Thank god for the likes of Al Jazeera and RT for keeping us informed and educated on their nefarious deeds
 
Yes, and certain people cannot understand why people like me loathe the anti Obama crowd - they's a bloody bunch of crooks!! :mad:
So your hate the republicans and yet the democrats also have wealthy backers pushing millions into what they believe.
 
Ah the big bad corporate boogeymen. Thank god for the likes of Al Jazeera and RT for keeping us informed and educated on their nefarious deeds

Have the Koch brothers posters replaced Sarah Palin's on your pinup wall yet?
 
So your hate the republicans and yet the democrats also have wealthy backers pushing millions into what they believe.

The Republicans take it to a whole new level jak3....I'm pretty sure you know that but won't say anything as I know where you hang your coat as well.
 
Ah the big bad corporate boogeymen. Thank god for the likes of Al Jazeera and RT for keeping us informed and educated on their nefarious deeds

I am sure one of the names mentioned was yours alan? :p

You are a tea party kinda guy aren't you?
 
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Regulations PROTECT monopolies and corporations, anyone who believes obvious hasn't got the faintest idea of how a free-market work and is simply making up facts.


In the 2010 congressional elections, the Kochs and their partners spent at least $40m, helping to swing the balance of power in the US House of Representatives towards right-wing Tea Party Republicans. It has been reported that the Kochs are planning to raise and spend more than $200m to defeat*Obama in 2012. But the brothers could easily kick in more without anyone knowing due to loopholes in*US law.
I don't really consider the Koch Brother libertarian what you're describing here is CORPORATIONISM which is when CORPORATIONS bribe congressmen or any other government to have legislation and regulations that protect them, such as bailouts.

This however is not a failure of the free-market but of GOVERNMENT, in a libertarian society there is no to limited government thus government can't do what it currently does.
The OP is confused and haven't gotten the faintest idea of what he is talking about.
 
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So your hate the republicans and yet the democrats also have wealthy backers pushing millions into what they believe.

Nothing wrong with George Soros. 7th richest man in the U.S a hedge fund billionaire who happens to be a felon. Rather ironic organizations he's linked too are behind the occupy wall street protest.

No surprise then that last few years his personal wealth has sky rocketed with his buddies running the show in Washington.


I am sure one of the names mentioned was yours alan? :p

You are a teat party guy aren't you?

No.
 
Regulations PROTECT monopolies and corporations, anyone who believes obvious hasn't got the faintest idea of how a free-market work and is simply making up facts.



I don't really consider the Koch Brother libertarian what you're describing here is CORPORATION which is when CORPORATIONS bribe congressmen or any other government to have legislation and regulations that protect them, such as bailouts.

This however is not a failure of the free-market but of GOVERNMENT, in a libertarian society there is no to limited government thus government can't do what it currently does.
The OP is confused and haven't gotten the faintest idea of what he is talking about.

Extremely poor English. Cannot comprehend. You 'haven't gotten the faintest idea' of how to post and we 'haven't gotten the faintest idea' of what you're on about.
 
The Republicans take it to a whole new level jak3....I'm pretty sure you know that but won't say anything as I know where you hang your coat as well.
Like Alan just pointed out, the left have their fair share of big money contributors. These cherry picker articles are pure hypocrisy. Both sides need enormous amounts of money to fund their causes and campaigns. Both sides are bought.

By the way, i liked Hillary in the last election. I'll hang my coat on what i think is the the best coat rack, i could care less which side they come from.

Liberal media like to present the right as a bunch of mad idiot zealots (fox news doesn't help). Thats pretty much their modus operandi, but what i don't see from the left at the moment is much pragmatism and problem solving, most of it is just naive ideology. Alteast Bill Clinton looked at the nuts and bolts.
 
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Extremely poor English. Cannot comprehend. You 'haven't gotten the faintest idea' of how to post and we 'haven't gotten the faintest idea' of what you're on about.
Did your mother teach you any manners?
 
It isn't mandated by law that everyone must support Obama? :D
 
What would a radical Jihadi Terrorist lover know about Democracy? :confused:

Someone explain why Al Jazeera and RT are publishing hit pieces on the Koch brothers? Their interests are not pro U.S so why are they undermining these nasty corporate goons who'll ruin the place if they got their way :o

Amusing to see W1z4rd and GTI preaching the same gospel.

It isn't mandated by law that everyone must support Obama? :D

in the media and Fazda's head maybe.
 
Someone explain why Al Jazeera and RT are publishing hit pieces on the Koch brothers? Their interests are not pro U.S so why are they undermining these nasty corporate goons who'll ruin the place if they got their way :o

Amusing to see W1z4rd and GTI preaching the same gospel.



in the media and Fazda's head maybe.

What gives you the impression that Al Jazeera has some sort of inherent hatred towards the US? Perhaps their crappy foreign policies and stooge politicians, yes.

Reporting is reporting. The great freedom of speech and all that. If Fox can report all the big bad radical, Islamist, rocket launching, muslim terrorists, inciting the big great fear that is TERROR, I don't see what constrains Al Jazeera from reporting on the inherent flaws in American "democracy".
 
The Republicans take it to a whole new level jak3....I'm pretty sure you know that but won't say anything as I know where you hang your coat as well.

???

2008 Obama

University of California $1,648,685 A university should not promote any government or political view unless it is 100% private.
Goldman Sachs $1,013,091 Arguably the most fascist organisation there is.
Harvard University $878,164
Microsoft Corp $852,167 One of the most capitalistic companies there is, who use laws to bully others.
Google Inc $814,540
JPMorgan Chase & Co $808,799 In the same league as Goldman
Citigroup Inc $736,771 OMG!... CITIGROUP enough said.
Time Warner $624,618 No wonder hollywood is soo liberal.
Sidley Austin LLP $600,298
Stanford University $595,716
National Amusements Inc $563,798
WilmerHale LLP $550,668
Columbia University $547,852
Skadden, Arps et al $543,539
UBS AG $532,674
IBM Corp $532,372
General Electric $529,855
US Government $513,308 WTF?
Morgan Stanley $512,232
Latham & Watkins $503,29


Obama's has some of the biggest backers there is...there reason why I mention this, is because you guys always completely ignore this.

Bush went to war, he is a warmonger. (Crickets about Obama)
Bush increased the size of the state. (Crickets about Obama)
Bush increased the debt by XXX (Crickets about Obama)

You guys sit on your lofty moral high-horses and you can't see the simple hypocracy in criticising your oppenents, as well as labelling all of them in 1 broad stroke.

I am a libertarian. I have no interest in anything the Koch bro's promote. I know for a fact that political freedom means almost nothing for the lives of ordinary people, as long as property rights are protected there is no problem.

One of the most economically free and successful countries today is Singapore, a frikkin dictatorship. Why? They have high levels of economic freedom.

Since you guys, both Dems and the mainstreamers in the GOP, want candidates who will promote more war and more debt and less economic freedom, you are all on the wrong side of the fence.
 
Did you even bother trying to add those figures up and compare them with what the Kochs alone are dumping into the fight against Obama? :rolleyes:
 
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