Devs don’t want to do ops

I’ve done that before. Awful - code all day, and still get pulled into debugging issues (unrelated to the software) when running it. No thanks.
 
The issue for me is not getting access to stuff, it's not the actual devops. Right now I'm waiting two weeks while security/ops teams discuss whether they can give me a sandbox for some kubernetes stuff I want to set up as a test for an upgrade migration. Not sure why there's a discussion, I need it unless they want some of my tests to cause ~6 expensive other devs sit around and do nothing, it has no data besides the app itself (with no data entries), that's it, but the fact that I'll need an SSL cert as well means I get to go through all the hoops as though a new production ready app is going to be deployed down the road, great.

Devops in smaller companies is generally better, since you're generally already going to have been the person that manages the server anyways, this way it's a bit easier since don't have to host the server itself and only set up pipelines to build/deploy and usually have all the rights already.
 
Part and parcel of the job in my opinion. Being involved in operational issues from infrastructure to customer success is extremely beneficial
 
This is why you have a DevOps team/culture and not a DevOps person.

We naturally gravitate to what interests us. Let those who enjoy writing the same services, Kafka connections, unit tests and nuget packages over and over again do their thing, let me and the others loose on kubernetes, pipelines, monitoring etc.

As long as the the team, as a whole, covers most of it and the powers that be have given you sufficient rights you are good to go.

To expect every person in the team to be good at everything is madness and I struggle to think that any company out there would seriously have that as a requirement.
 
FYI: I work at a big multinational and we do "devops" just fine, the only problem is getting skilled people. So if any of you ****ers feel like packing your bags and moving to the NL in the next couple of months let me know, they're recruiting.
 
Hamster said:
FYI: I work at a big multinational and we do "devops" just fine, the only problem is getting skilled people. So if any of you ****ers feel like packing your bags and moving to the NL in the next couple of months let me know, they're recruiting.
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PM me please with details :)
 
Hamster said:
FYI: I work at a big multinational and we do "devops" just fine, the only problem is getting skilled people. So if any of you ****ers feel like packing your bags and moving to the NL in the next couple of months let me know, they're recruiting.
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Are they hiring juniors and do you have to understand Afrikaans to get the job?
Ek kan nie ge-speak Afrikaans
 
Hamster said:
This is why you have a DevOps team/culture and not a DevOps person.

We naturally gravitate to what interests us. Let those who enjoy writing the same services, Kafka connections, unit tests and nuget packages over and over again do their thing, let me and the others loose on kubernetes, pipelines, monitoring etc.

As long as the the team, as a whole, covers most of it and the powers that be have given you sufficient rights you are good to go.

To expect every person in the team to be good at everything is madness and I struggle to think that any company out there would seriously have that as a requirement.
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This is what we do. The team just naturally self organizes into people’s strengths and wants.

We’ve also eliminated all “servers”. Remove operational crap, focus on delivering value for our customers. Patching a server, installing software, setting up backups, etc - complete waste of time that doesn’t move anything forward.

Simple architectures are easy to “automate” (IaC is simple, CI/CD is simple, easy to understand under abstracted code bases are simple)

There are complicated problems to solve for sure, the environment does not need to be however
 
Probably intermediate and up:

C#, Docker, Git and EF are the basics, Azure, kubernetes, Flux, Elastic etc. is part of the tech stack.

Multiple teams looking for people, you can has to speak the English.

Financial sector, it's not official but we work 4:1 home : office.

If you are serious and have googled "living in the NL" and "housing in the NL" before and you already have a plan to get your unabridged birth certificate from DHA - PM me.
 
It depends a lot on the situation. Devops if done right works well but if the devs are spending large amounts of their time fixing user created issues or the systems weren't designed for it it can also be a disaster. Building great things takes concentration and if it gets broken the whole time to deal with production issues it just leads to tired devs delivering poor quality.
 
Hamster said:
Probably intermediate and up:

C#, Docker, Git and EF are the basics, Azure, kubernetes, Flux, Elastic etc. is part of the tech stack.

Multiple teams looking for people, you can has to speak the English.

Financial sector, it's not official but we work 4:1 home : office.

If you are serious and have googled "living in the NL" and "housing in the NL" before and you already have a plan to get your unabridged birth certificate from DHA - PM me.
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Might need a year or few to be considered intermediate.

I do the java and spring at the moment. AWS, docker, kubernetes and other fluff.

Nice. I speak the Engrish good.

I'm fully remote at the moment but a day at the office sounds nice.

I'm semi serious. I like my current job. One of my mentors is living in NL and I've asked him about the day to day.

Will need to ask Mother if I can get my unabridged birth certificate.
 
Harmonic said:
What is an office? I can't even remember
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I'm told by the elders it was a land where everyone sat close together and shared the same stale air. When you were done with work you would pretend to look like you were busy. Toilet breaks and smoke breaks were rife. If prod went down and you were responsible, they would hunt you down and watch you fix it.
 
randomcat said:
I'm told by the elders it was a land where everyone sat close together and shared the same stale air. When you were done with work you would pretend to look like you were busy. Toilet breaks and smoke breaks were rife. If prod went down and you were responsible, they would hunt you down and watch you fix it.
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Don't forget "smell of the day" where you and your coworkers would try and figure out what it was and take bets as to its source.
 
randomcat said:
Might need a year or few to be considered intermediate.

I do the java and spring at the moment. AWS, docker, kubernetes and other fluff.

Nice. I speak the Engrish good.

I'm fully remote at the moment but a day at the office sounds nice.

I'm semi serious. I like my current job. One of my mentors is living in NL and I've asked him about the day to day.

Will need to ask Mother if I can get my unabridged birth certificate.
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If nothing else, it'll be an adventure.
 
Harmonic said:
What is an office? I can't even remember
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Well, it's this place where you get to work on inferior office equipment, get no work done, have no control over the aircon and take excessively long lunch breaks. It's a schlep but it gets you out of the house.

Show me a more efficient way to get paid to not do any work, I'll wait.
 
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