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What software do you suggest for beginners to store and manage photos, as well as a bit of editing? I do have an iMac not PC.
 
Ares said:
What software do you suggest for beginners to store and manage photos, as well as a bit of editing? I do have an iMac not PC.
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Since you're a mac user I would, without reservation, recommend Aperture - particularly for the way it manages libraries. I find Lightroom to be a bit lethargic for my needs.
 
nanonyous said:
What editing? Aside from spot removal and the ability to crop I've never seen any editing tools in the program.
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Highly doubt he wants to go the PS route now does he? Otherwise he would have just gone with PS. I took the question based on the assumption that he implied image processing.

http://www.adobe.com/africa/products/photoshop-lightroom/features.html

If Scott Kelby, the worlds leading PS author can recommend lightroom for beginners, and advanced photographers alike. I don't see why others wont. And also, he is a 100% die hard mac user.
 
Ares said:
What software do you suggest for beginners to store and manage photos, as well as a bit of editing? I do have an iMac not PC.
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Since you're using a mac is it safe to assume you've been using iPhoto up until now?
Inn3rs3lf said:
If Scott Kelby, the worlds leading PS author can recommend lightroom for beginners, and advanced photographers alike. I don't see why others wont. And also, he is a 100% die hard mac user.
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If Kelby was the worlds leading Aperture author would he recommend Aperture? :) He's mentioned before that one of the main reasons he teaches Adobe products like Lightroom is because they're cross platform which gives him a wider target market.
 
bwana said:
Since you're using a mac is it safe to assume you've been using iPhoto up until now?
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This is a new hobby to me, therefore my skills with iPhoto is very limited(yes I have been using it). Would like to "invest" in software that one won't outgrow too soon, and has decent functionality.
 
Ares said:
This is a new hobby to me, therefore my skills with iPhoto is very limited(yes I have been using it). Would like to "invest" in software that one won't outgrow too soon, and has decent functionality.
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FYI… Aperture will share your existing iPhoto library.
 
Aperture costs $80 (R677) thought the Mac App Store and Lightroom costs R3499 at Orange Digital Store. That massive price can be reduced to R899 if you have a student card.
 
Inn3rs3lf said:
Read my above post, and it will explain that the photo processing was used as an "editing" example.
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Your post didn't explain anything to the effect. I asked you what editing capability Lightroom has, and you went off on a tangent as though I'd been criticizing your suggesting it, despite the fact I use it almost exclusively to process my photos.

Lightroom, to my knowledge, has virtually no editing capabilities. Editing and processing of files are not the same thing; that's like arguing that the process of developing film and making an enlargement are the same as performing extensive modification to the negatives and/or enlargements from which you'd make further derivatives to work with.
 
Editing and processing are not the same thing. Don't dumb **** down just because you made a mistake and don't want to admit it.

Lightroom has virtually no editing capabilities; it performs library management and has image processing capabilities, specifically the Adobe Camera Raw system.

Editing? Take someone's arm and turn it into a leg, and you've just 'edited' your photo. Add in a moon, and you've edited it. Make someone's eyes larger or smaller, and you've edited it.
Making adjustments to the colours? Processing. Putting in some GNDs? Processing. Dodging/burning? Processing. Saturation (whole-scene or selective)? Processing.

You made a mistake in addressing my question and are now being a prissy tit about it. Suck it up, learn from it, and don't come with that "don't make it out to be rocket science when it isn't" crap if you've already goofed to begin with, especially not if you're trying to dumb things down for no good reason to make up for such mistakes.

As for your linked Ars Technica article, just because they refer to the local adjustment brush as a local 'edit' brush does not make them right, just as the article contributors for the MyBB 2012 Best Cameras article don't necessarily have a clue of what they're talking about.
 
nanonyous said:
Editing and processing are not the same thing. Don't dumb **** down just because you made a mistake and don't want to admit it.

Lightroom has virtually no editing capabilities; it performs library management and has image processing capabilities, specifically the Adobe Camera Raw system.

Editing? Take someone's arm and turn it into a leg, and you've just 'edited' your photo. Add in a moon, and you've edited it. Make someone's eyes larger or smaller, and you've edited it.
Making adjustments to the colours? Processing. Putting in some GNDs? Processing. Dodging/burning? Processing. Saturation (whole-scene or selective)? Processing.

You made a mistake in addressing my question and are now being a prissy tit about it. Suck it up, learn from it, and don't come with that "don't make it out to be rocket science when it isn't" crap if you've already goofed to begin with, especially not if you're trying to dumb things down for no good reason to make up for such mistakes.

As for your linked Ars Technica article, just because they refer to the local adjustment brush as a local 'edit' brush does not make them right, just as the article contributors for the MyBB 2012 Best Cameras article don't necessarily have a clue of what they're talking about.
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Hate to once again derail this thread due to nanonyous constant need to argue.

Semantics nanoyous. You constantly try and get your 2c worth of "wealthy" information on this side of MyBB. Processing and editing can be used interchangeably in regards to a beginner starting photography, or starting out using 3rd party software. Explain a simple technique such as HDR to someone, and see what they will class it as.........editing. But then again, you will pick at this and say that HDR is not a technique, but processing.

Reason for the post on the article was due to the fact that they showed what lightroom can do. That to a person staring out will look like.........wait for it.......editing. Unless of course they have gone on a massive google serch and learnt every single term known to post processing.

You are an arrogant ***hole who should seriously go and join a MTF forum where you can sit and pick at peoples comments all day.
 
Chill out people - this seems to be stemming from different perceptions of the term editing, that's all.

From my understanding, at least since LR4 (if not earlier), users have been able to do basic editing (and by that I mean cloning, healing, dodging and burning, red eye reduction, cropping, levels (?), highlights/shadows, etc) in the app itself without roundtripping it to PS. This has an obvious advantage because you're not converting the RAW file to a bitmap therefore all edits are non-distructive. For more serious pixel pushing however PS - or PS Elements - is going to be a better solution.

Personally, the more I can do in Aperture (which has similar editing capabilities to Lightroom) the better. A lot of my associates - ok, most of them - swear by photo mechanic but they're forever having to move their photos to PS to edit and, as far as I'm concerned, this takes too much time and effort.

Mod_note: play nicely pls. Capisce?
 
Op, Lightroom does processing of your raw files (and/or jpegs). If you don't shoot in raw to begin with, you're going to have fairly limited capability in general when using Lightroom as far as making modifications to the overall appearance of your files is concerned, and a cheaper program would probably suit your needs better - even Instagram could, depending on exactly what it is you're wanting to do with the software.

Give some examples of what you'd like to achieve, if you can.


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Inn3rs3lf, I'm an 'arrogant ****hole' because I hate it when people like you compulsively want to dumb things down to accommodate 'people that don't know any better yet'. Explain it to them properly from the get go, don't beat around the bush. The upside of that will be that whenever they talk to others about it, those other people will also be using the correct terminology and have a better understanding of it to start off with.

And bwana, those all still form part of simple processing, except for cloning and to some extent a 'healing brush'. Inn3rs3lf, before you try and argue this, seeing as you clearly don't know what the original darkroom processes are all of modern photography software was based on - editing consists of things that require bringing extensive physical changes to the original negative with and/or that involve re-taking a photo of your original negative with overlayed materials to produce a new negative from which to work.

Processing is anything that could be done directly between placing your negative into an enlarger and getting your print from it.

So I'm sorry if I want to take part in a forum that you're in, where you feel your opinion is of that much more worth that I should 'seriously **** off'. I'm also sorry you're so sure of your own opinion that you will, in your very first response to my simple question, start off with being a dick about it.

And to think I get reported for making personal attacks against other users.

I'll illustrate this thread's interaction here:

new guy: question
Inn3rs3lf: answer, uses 'major editing' instead of 'processing' when referring to program that has no 'editing' functionality', only 'processing'
me: Inn3rs3fl, what editing functionality does LR have?
Inn3rs3lf: immediate "jesus christ you must be a flaming retard" phrased response
me: clarification that I asked them what 'editing' functionality the program has, not why they recommended it
Inn3rs3lf: continuation of "jesus christ you must be a flaming retard" behaviour

Kindly look at your own behaviour before you start commenting on mine.
I'd have taken this to private, but screw it. I've been reported for accusing someone of blatantly lying about my posts and being an idiot for demonstrating their own inability to read what I was saying before throwing accusations around, and now I'm being treated like the ****stain of the board by someone that seems to have a chip on their shoulder about me. I prefer doing my laundry in public, seeing as I don't have anything to hide.
 
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