Do you believe in ghosts?

Do you believe in ghosts?

  • Yes

    Votes: 74 28.1%

  • No

    Votes: 165 62.7%

  • I don't have an opinion

    Votes: 14 5.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 10 3.8%
  • Total voters
    263
Moosedrool said:
Nah.

Read up what tangible evidence means in scientific terms. In order for your senses to observe something it needs to affect the physical realm i.e. be detectible using scientific equipment. If it moves something, if you can see it or if it talks to you. All these concepts are extremely well studied in science and yet no ghosts. There’s a reason I use the phrase reality because believers place these things more and more outside of the realm of what is real. In other words not real.
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Can I put an absolute zinger?

You can't really disprove ghosts using Science, can you ? I mean can you really disprove it 100% ? No? Then, acknowledge defeat of science.
 
surface said:
Can I put an absolute zinger?

You can't really disprove ghosts using Science, can you ? I mean can you really disprove it 100% ? No? Then, acknowledge defeat of science.
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No, science can not disprove that you or whomever else are not seeing ghosts. This logic does not defeat science, it makes this an irrational argument. To expect science to prove or disprove **** people make up in their minds is ridiculous.
 
McRuder said:
No, science can not disprove that you or whomever else are not seeing ghosts. This logic does not defeat science, it makes this an irrational argument. To expect science to prove or disprove **** people make up in their minds is ridiculous.
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Using italics normally implies sarcasm.

We need comic sans back.
 
Jackal46 said:
My wife gets sleep paralysis. She wakes up screaming. My youngest got my curse and get night terrors also waking up screaming. My other two kids also get sleep paralysis from time to time.
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I used to have horrible nightmares/night terrors as a child. Demons and all sorts of ****.

When I started to play Doom 1 way back then, crushing demons with gusto and having a great time, my brain learned that I can smash - so in my dreams I started playing Doom with the demons, destroying the hell knights with my doublebarrel shotty.

From there I had the occasional lucid dream where I could "will" weapons into the dream, or spawn them in my hands by envisaging them. Been having fun in dreams ever since.

Often I find lucid dreams causes the simulation to halt, so I would have to take the bullets and manually "will" them into enemies. And if they still keep coming, I have to envisage their heads full of holes since the bullets won't go there. Only then do they die. The moment your brain stops running the script, you have to do most of the physics manually. NPC's sometimes just stops and if you look at them closely, you'll see all sorts of discrepancies - like a kid with a beard, fingers on hands not natural, etc. (Like AI drawings of human hands)

The other plus is that I've grown nerves of steel (at least according to friends and family), so I enjoy all the terror/horror games.

Long story short, let the kid play Doom. (2016 or Eternal should be good, but perhaps drop the difficulty for him as the point is for him to be crushing). Might just work like it did for me.
Still don't believe in ghosts.
 
Conack said:
I used to have horrible nightmares/night terrors as a child. Demons and all sorts of ****.

When I started to play Doom 1 way back then, crushing demons with gusto and having a great time, my brain learned that I can smash - so in my dreams I started playing Doom with the demons, destroying the hell knights with my doublebarrel shotty.

From there I had the occasional lucid dream where I could "will" weapons into the dream, or spawn them in my hands by envisaging them. Been having fun in dreams ever since.

Often I find lucid dreams causes the simulation to halt, so I would have to take the bullets and manually "will" them into enemies. And if they still keep coming, I have to envisage their heads full of holes since the bullets won't go there. Only then do they die. The moment your brain stops running the script, you have to do most of the physics manually. NPC's sometimes just stops and if you look at them closely, you'll see all sorts of discrepancies - like a kid with a beard, fingers on hands not natural, etc. (Like AI drawings of human hands)

The other plus is that I've grown nerves of steel (at least according to friends and family), so I enjoy all the terror/horror games.

Long story short, let the kid play Doom. (2016 or Eternal should be good, but perhaps drop the difficulty for him as the point is for him to be crushing). Might just work like it did for me.
Still don't believe in ghosts.
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Doom/Serious Sam yes
Shrooms NO!
 
Jackal46 said:
There is enough sightings to convince me that people did see something. But we can't always trust our experiences. My wife gets sleep paralysis. She wakes up screaming. My youngest got my curse and get night terrors also waking up screaming. My other two kids also get sleep paralysis from time to time.

The darkness is the projector screen and our minds are the projectors. We see what we want to see and we hear what we want to hear. Sometimes its comforting other times terrifying.

Mineshafts are terrifying when the lights goes out, it is a different type of darkness, it is for this reason why I always kept a handful of fresh batteries and a couple of headlamps in my toolbox. PETZL are good for this situation as they are reliable. The headlamps we where issued wasn't always reliable. But with LEDs it became less of a problem. The old globs use to fuse a lot
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Sleep paralysis can be scary af. Had it once where I woke up and heard something heavy running up the stairs making a screeching sound. Just lay there as it got closer and as I saw a dark figure enter the room I passed out back into sleep. It's crazy how real it feels in the moment.
 
Big Rat said:
Lady of Newlands
Heks van HexRivier
Ghost of UnionDale

While I do not believe such things. these three in particular has a great following and many people having the same story.
But, while I do not believe, I will not be in a graveyard at night.
Also, just be at Magersfontein at night. You know it is the wind, but at night it sounds exactly like people moaning and dying.
If your mind want to see and hear things, it will.
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The way I see it graveyards are peaceful as ghosts tend to hang around where they died or to something they were particularly attached to. As a kid and now I like visiting graveyards
 
EL'Diablo said:
Doom/Serious Sam yes
Shrooms NO!
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I'm definitely a proponent of shrooms, but absolutely not for kids or even youngsters.
Much to benefit from, but maybe after 30 and when you've got your **** in order.

On a side note, during our last school year we (bunch of kids all in one car) drove through the cemetery and over graves as a shortcut to pick up one of the lads (pastor's son). Didn't ever pick up anything spooky there either.

Since ghost-hunters never find evidence of ghosts (armed with a camera), I remain a non-believer.
Amazing how many superstitions disappeared with the invention of cameras.
 
schuits said:
The way I see it graveyards are peaceful as ghosts tend to hang around where they died or to something they were particularly attached to. As a kid and now I like visiting graveyards
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during the day... sure. at night. hu-uh, nope
 
Moosedrool said:
Nah.

Read up what tangible evidence means in scientific terms. In order for your senses to observe something it needs to affect the physical realm i.e. be detectible using scientific equipment. If it moves something, if you can see it or if it talks to you. All these concepts are extremely well studied in science and yet no ghosts. There’s a reason I use the phrase reality because believers place these things more and more outside of the realm of what is real. In other words not real.
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In short, science can only work well with deterministic events.

It's just unclear whether reality, and in addition our senses and free will and morality, is all entirely beholden to the same.

Therefore, it is equally unclear how limited science is.

We all don't know what we don't know and it might forever remain that way, essentially.

Welcome to the great never-ending madness inducing debate :laugh:
 
FWIW I both love ghost and paranormal related stuff, while also not convinced they exist. I usually follow that stuff for the content/stories.
 
McRuder said:
No, science can not disprove that you or whomever else are not seeing ghosts. This logic does not defeat science, it makes this an irrational argument. To expect science to prove or disprove **** people make up in their minds is ridiculous.
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Slowly the scientific communities are coming on board to secure the interests and objectives of mankind. We need to learn the true reality of our multiverse. For those properly researching the paranormal topics will know that UFO phenomenon and ghosts have association. Many speculate that the type of energy used to power the technologies also manifest conscious forces, primarily seen as shadows.

 
We can't be 100% sure, there's enough as of yet unexplained paranormal stuff going on out there. Perhaps ghosts or some hitherto unexplainable phenomenon.
 
One shouldn’t place their bets on some rando's personal experiences when solid science is on the table. There’s a wealth of scientific reasoning behind those spine-chilling sensations.

First off, our brains are adept pattern detectors, even in the most innocuous shadows. This phenomenon, known as pareidolia, means if you think you’ve seen a ghost, it’s likely just your brain misinterpreting random stimuli as something significant. For those curious, pareidolia is the reason why you might see faces in clouds or Jesus in a piece of toast—our minds are hardwired to recognise patterns, even where there are none.

Next up, infrasound—the low-frequency vibrations you can’t hear but definitely feel. These vibrations, often below 20 Hz, can induce feelings of discomfort or even lead you to see things that aren’t there. Infrasound can be caused by natural phenomena like earthquakes or man-made sources such as engines and large machinery. Pair this with the usual creaky floors and household noises, and it’s no wonder some people feel their homes are haunted.

Electromagnetic fields (EMFs) are another contender. High levels of EMFs, emitted by electronic devices and power lines, can affect your body in various ways. Some research suggests that strong EMFs might cause dizziness, a sense of unease, or even physical discomfort. People who are already inclined to believe in ghosts might interpret these sensations as supernatural occurrences. If you're keen to explore this, look into how EMFs interact with biological systems—it's a fascinating, albeit complex, topic.

And let’s not overlook sleep paralysis, a phenomenon where you’re awake but unable to move, often accompanied by vivid and frightening hallucinations. Sleep paralysis occurs due to a disruption in the transition between rapid eye movement (REM) sleep and wakefulness. During REM, the body experiences muscle atonia, a protective state where the muscles are immobilised to prevent acting out dreams. When this mechanism is interrupted, you may feel conscious but trapped, leading to intense, often terrifying experiences.

Cultural and social factors play their part too. If you’re already primed to believe in ghosts, you’re more likely to see them in ambiguous situations. Cultural beliefs, religious traditions, and societal influences can add layers of ‘woo-woo’ to everyday experiences, framing them within the supernatural.

So, while ghost stories can be a lot of fun, the scientific explanations are grounded in what we currently understand. The supernatural remains firmly in the realm of fiction—no matter how thrilling the stories might be.
 
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