Doctors will not work under NHI

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rvZA said:
Easy. Mandatory 10 hours per day in a state hospital or revoke their licenses and report this abroad as well. Mention this on clearance certificates too so say cannot leave the country and work abroad.

Problem solved.
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revoke their passports will be better...... :p

==> no doctor / nurse can apply a passport or leave the state. :p
 
Tender for training centres for 100 000 sangomas incoming
 
WhosThis said:
Good luck to them. For a DR to leave SA they need to do a 3-year internship and write the exams again.
Thanks to the ANC who removed South Africa from the governing body pertaining to health. Effectively forcing the rest of the world to no longer recognize SA DR's are qualified DRs, regardless of having some of the best.
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Not true. Depends on degree and further studies, via which university. I just renew my GMC each year.
 
WhosThis said:
Good luck to them. For a DR to leave SA they need to do a 3-year internship and write the exams again.
Thanks to the ANC who removed South Africa from the governing body pertaining to health. Effectively forcing the rest of the world to no longer recognize SA DR's are qualified DRs, regardless of having some of the best.
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Not entirely true, depends on speciality, for some journey will be more difficult and for some not so much.
Also there are research posts, management posts, teaching posts so there are quite a few options.
Friend is lecturing at uni, another one is headhunted to run department overseas.
Some stay in Africa and believe it on not they are paid handsomely (UN posts).

One thing to note is that in quite a few instances expat community and ex colleagues assist with finding jobs.
When friend got fed up with Eskom and left without next job in line (he designs high voltage power lines) he simply notified few ex colleagues that he quit and next month he got job in UAE.

I see bigger issue with loss of expertise, training and knowledge transfer which will cause that each generation will be less knowledgeable until SA degrees become worthless.
 
Mirai said:
Not true. Depends on degree and further studies, via which university. I just renew my GMC each year.
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NZ, AUS and US, Canada do not recognize a GP from South Africa.
Which country allows a GP to be recognized as a doctor?
 
WhosThis said:
NZ, AUS and US, Canada do not recognize a GP from South Africa.
Which country allows a GP to be recognized as a doctor?
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Strange I had colleagues prior to specialisation work in NZ and Canada. US prefers pre specialisation doctors because they prefer their own programs, you have to write 3 exams for the US. US goes on the university where you graduated as I think does everyone else. SA doctors with GMC registration can work in the UK and can also enter further programs there. There is a separate registration for Ireland where many Saffers work too because of the language and ease of entry.

This has nothing to do with HPCSA or local SA licensing.

That's for clinical jobs. For non-clinical jobs there are fewer barriers to entry.

There's a shortage of doctors in the UK at the moment and they take people easily. If you don't have GMC registration, you have to write exams, if you already have GMC it's pretty simple.
 
Mirai said:
Strange I had colleagues prior to specialisation work in NZ and Canada. US prefers pre specialisation doctors because they prefer their own programs, you have to write 3 exams for the US. US goes on the university where you graduated as I think does everyone else. SA doctors with GMC registration can work in the UK and can also enter further programs there. There is a separate registration for Ireland where many Saffers work too because of the language and ease of entry.

This has nothing to do with HPCSA or local SA licensing.

That's for clinical jobs. For non-clinical jobs there are fewer barriers to entry.

There's a shortage of doctors in the UK at the moment and they take people easily. If you don't have GMC registration, you have to write exams, if you already have GMC it's pretty simple.
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Its a deep rabbit hole. Took a ton of research and have since forgotten the governing body.
We were looking to emigrate to well, anywhere. Which then became apparent that other countries no longer recognize our Doctors. Thats when I got digging and stumbled across this article which was dated early 2000's.

South Africa was at the time suffering a doctor drain, everyone was leaving SA. So the ANC withdrew our membership of said body which resulted in those countries, Aus, NZ etc to no longer allow us there without completing the exams, which i depending where you go is about 2 - 3 years.
NZ for example you have to do an internship for some time along with your certifications.

Ireland treats their DRs like sht, and underpay the hell out of them. They earn an avg salary. UK, well yes. Although they recently opened up easier avenues to practise there, the truth is... UK is a really sht place to live. Netherlands had the same challenges as other countries with re-certification.

We have been down this rabbit hole. Its a loooooong journey. Many of our professional friends went through those processes and are happily working as Drs in Canada, Aus, NZ. If you dont mind the 2 - 3 year sacrifice.
 
Marx said that NHI could not work
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that's poetic, a guy named Marx commenting on socialist nonsense :ROFL:

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I mean all they need to do is give everyone a beetroot to meet NHI criteria so we don't really need all this western medical training.
 
You decide, what is worse:
1-Unaffordable Healthcare & Medical Aid, or..Your done over time as you filtered through the plans & out.
2-Affordable promised care not realising...You done or may get lucky.
 
WhosThis said:
Its a deep rabbit hole. Took a ton of research and have since forgotten the governing body.
We were looking to emigrate to well, anywhere. Which then became apparent that other countries no longer recognize our Doctors. Thats when I got digging and stumbled across this article which was dated early 2000's.

South Africa was at the time suffering a doctor drain, everyone was leaving SA. So the ANC withdrew our membership of said body which resulted in those countries, Aus, NZ etc to no longer allow us there without completing the exams, which i depending where you go is about 2 - 3 years.
NZ for example you have to do an internship for some time along with your certifications.

Ireland treats their DRs like sht, and underpay the hell out of them. They earn an avg salary. UK, well yes. Although they recently opened up easier avenues to practise there, the truth is... UK is a really sht place to live. Netherlands had the same challenges as other countries with re-certification.

We have been down this rabbit hole. Its a loooooong journey. Many of our professional friends went through those processes and are happily working as Drs in Canada, Aus, NZ. If you dont mind the 2 - 3 year sacrifice.
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Just curious to get a first hand opinion - are you a doctor? Would you rather work under NHI than do those 2 - 3 years to get your certification in another country?
 
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