Does a false declaration on a death certificate have implications for payouts ?

[W@P]

Thanks @SteamyTom, already have SAFPS bookmarked. Ok.

Edit to add : actually seeing this in B and W really brings home to me how sordid and underhand this whole affair is.

Sounds like an ugly situation.

How did said sibling change the beneficiaries? Who was the holder of the policy? When did this happen? Was the deceased near the end of their life, or was it obvious that death was on the horizon?
Sorry for asking the questions so bluntly, but there could come facts to light when diving deeper that could assist you.

Perhaps consider lodging a dispute with the insurer regarding the policy's payout, beneficiaries, and timeline of beneficiary changes?

These types of things make me sick. When someone dies, some people are like vultures descending in for their piece of the pie.

 

[maumau]

^
"These types of things make me sick. When someone dies, some people are like vultures descending in for their piece of the pie."

Exactly, they're tricking genuine beneficiaries out of what's due to them.

Do not dare question them because they'll look you in the eye and accuse you of being greedy.

Absolutely without conscience.

 

[Steamy Tom]

what happens if the scammer steals your ID and registers himself for protective registration

Well, you mean registers you?

makes no sense really, the scammer would just be making his own scamming more difficult.

 

[PsyWulf]

I've seen this dealt with from the Provider side (Insurance,Retirement funding) but only 2nd hand so I might miss some minutiae
That certificate is practically irrelevant other than confirming the death and initiating the processes - The living descendants/partners/babymommas however,whether he declared it or not will have rights to claim,especially dependents.

 

[rh1]

My wife and I both walked away from our respective family death estates squabbles, less stress all around. Dont really care about the money/assets.

 

[aqualung]

My wife and I both walked away from our respective family death estates squabbles, less stress all around. Dont really care about the money/assets.

We will v likely do the same - just churning through the decision trees. Also thinking in terms of preventive / protective strategies to protect us.

If they so much as make a move towards our IDs or recruit us unknowingly into their scam I fully intend to burn their little plot to the ground.

Otherwise, as above, I know they’ll have burnt thru the money in a year or less.

 

[maumau]

Just BTW when my sister died her husband got all their (adult) children's IDs "so her provident fund would pay out quicker" saying he'd distribute the money to them.

Then he invested it for himself


@aqualung, sorry for OT.

 

[aqualung]

Just BTW when my sister died her husband got all their (adult) children's IDs "so her provident fund would pay out quicker" saying he'd distribute the money to them.

Then he invested it for himself


@aqualung, sorry for OT.

@maumau

Not at all, more on topic than you could possibly imagine !

 

[Steamy Tom]

We will v likely do the same - just churning through the decision trees. Also thinking in terms of preventive / protective strategies to protect us.

If they so much as make a move towards our IDs or recruit us unknowingly into their scam I fully intend to burn their little plot to the ground.

Otherwise, as above, I know they’ll have burnt thru the money in a year or less.

Personally if a family member was trying to screw the rest and I found out, I would go out of my way to make it all go to shiz, regardless if they if they implicated me or whether I had anything coming my way. Fsck em, he the karma, karma comes too slowly

 

[Grant]

Hi all

Legal kind of question - and yes may take legal advice here.

If someone has false information on their death certificate - in this case it states “never married” when actually deceased was married twice - does this affect distribution of property ? One of the deceased children has a vested interest in accruing all property and assets of the deceased.

Aware this may be unfair to ask on this forum - just putting it out there.

Any input appreciated.

Thanks all

it does cause problems.

you need to obtain an "abridged" death certificate from home affairs
these are issued out of pretoria only, and usually take about 6 weeks to obtain.

my parents were married until the death of my father in the 90s.
my mother never remarried.
upon her death, the undertakers submitted the required "death notice" to home affairs in order to obtain a death certificate.
the death certificate is then submitted to the master of the high court (along with other documents) in order for an executor of the estate to be appointed.

it was at this point i realised the death certificate stated "married" - which was not in fact the case when she died.
i then spoke to my attorneys who advised getting a correct death certificate in order to prevent problems with the master of the high court.
this was despite the fact i was named as both executor of the estate, and it's sole beneficiary
so back i went to home affairs with various documents and made application for an updated abridged death certificate.

in my instance there were no "competing" beneficiaries to cause problems.
however, given the original death certificate to state "married", one of the 1st problems would be the master of the high court questioning any claim (or potential claim) against the estate by an assumed living spouse.

in the event of the potential for "competing" beneficiaries to occur, it would certainly be best to get the respective documents in order, and certified, asap.

 

[Grant]

Thanks everyone for chipping in and moral support. I will add that the sibling in question unilaterally had the deceased life policy beneficiary changed to themself only.

Related question - apart from refusing to hand copy of one’s ID over (which has already been requested on pretense of making a “payout” from the policy, I mean WTF) - is there anything else one should do to protect against ID fraud.

you need to speak to the insurance underwriter about the life policy and any changes made to it from it's inception to the date of any submission of claim.
insurers see this type of thing happen very frequently & are well equipped to investigate any "abnormality" at a forensic level.


one can easily walk away from it all, but before doing that - consider what the wishes of the deceased may have been - honor those above all else.

 

[W@P]

it does cause problems.

you need to obtain an "abridged" death certificate from home affairs
these are issued out of pretoria only, and usually take about 6 weeks to obtain.

my parents were married until the death of my father in the 90s.
my mother never remarried.
upon her death, the undertakers submitted the required "death notice" to home affairs in order to obtain a death certificate.
the death certificate is then submitted to the master of the high court (along with other documents) in order for an executor of the estate to be appointed.

it was at this point i realised the death certificate stated "married" - which was not in fact the case when she died.
i then spoke to my attorneys who advised getting a correct death certificate in order to prevent problems with the master of the high court.
this was despite the fact i was named as both executor of the estate, and it's sole beneficiary
so back i went to home affairs with various documents and made application for an updated abridged death certificate.

in my instance there were no "competing" beneficiaries to cause problems.
however, given the original death certificate to state "married", one of the 1st problems would be the master of the high court questioning any claim (or potential claim) against the estate by an assumed living spouse.

in the event of the potential for "competing" beneficiaries to occur, it would certainly be best to get the respective documents in order, and certified, asap.



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I sommer shudder at the thought again.

If I had never picked up that the case number was wrong on my father's death certificate, it could have opened a world of problems.
I think most of the time, something like that falls through the floorboards as the claims related to the deceased are not big enough to warrant proper investigations.

I might be completely wrong here. But I got a feeling the parties related to my claims did some proper digging by the way they portrayed themselves.

Such a fscking ball ache. Sheesh.

 

[aqualung]

you need to speak to the insurance underwriter about the life policy and any changes made to it from it's inception to the date of any submission of claim.
insurers see this type of thing happen very frequently & are well equipped to investigate any "abnormality" at a forensic level.


one can easily walk away from it all, but before doing that - consider what the wishes of the deceased may have been - honor those above all else.

Thank you @Grant for all the above advice. Appreciated.