Does SA need Denel?

Does SA need Denel?

  • Yes

    Votes: 43 25.1%
  • No

    Votes: 114 66.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 14 8.2%

  • Total voters
    171
SA needs Denzel as well as my skills. Denzel has all the technology the world needs. They can build anything but they are restricted by government incompetence and internal ANC factional battles. Private ownership should be 52%. There are too many unnecessary things that are imported that could be manufactured locally and be exported. South Africa stands a good chance to control African continent trade before China takes over.
 
SA needs Denzel as well as my skills. Denzel has all the technology the world needs. They can build anything but they are restricted by government incompetence and internal ANC factional battles. Private ownership should be 52%. There are too many unnecessary things that are imported that could be manufactured locally and be exported. South Africa stands a good chance to control African continent trade before China takes over.

You mean stood a good chance..

Current government doesn't have thinkers, only looters.
 
Yes and no.
Not that long ago it was a profitable organization until the ANC touched it and now it is dead.
Those with the skills that made it profitable are gone. You can't simply replace them with useless inexperienced politically connected.
 
Depends, where else do we get our tanks, jets, planes, guns, bombs, etc?
 
Yes, but we don't need this Denel we need a private Denel which may have a cooperative agreement with the state. There is no/yes answer here, the less state intervention the better.
 
Only if its run by the Cape Gangs. We would make mega bucks. The police cant even hold onto their guns, but the gangs can.

Drugs would be yesterday and the gangs would be big arms dealers (that pays tax).
 
Too late the damage had been done, maybe the buildings can be reused in some way, and the 3 submarines not going to help either, and ISIS is next door for some time now..
 
Under the right leadership that business would be a nice cog in the economic machine. I've been to PMP, it's a shame driving through there now. It must have been amazing when it was run correctly.
 
Without Denel the SANDF will, amongst others, not be able to maintain the Rooivalk helicopter, the armoured vehicles that it uses and the assault rifles issued to every soldier. There will be no small arms ammunition for the SANDF and they will have to throw away the world famous G5 and G6 artillery because only Denel can manufacture the specialised base-bleed shells that it uses.

If Denel closes down it will cost billions of dollars to replace the hundreds of military systems manufactured and maintained by them.
That boat has already sunk: it is already far too late to save Denel.

We need the jobs, the innovation, the research and the technologies that flow out of defence research.
It is not about arms manufacturing in itself. It is about the knock multiplier effects that we all benefit from.

The SJW idiots will never understand that.
Denel forced all the engineers to leave for jobs elsewhere that actually pay, you need experienced engineers for R&D, Denel will never be able to regain that experience.

There is no point in funding Denel under the guise of recreating the R&D capabilities that Denel had, it would take at least a decade before any graduates can design anything meaningful, and that would involve learning from endless mistakes that would have been caught by experienced engineers (which Denel no longer has).

Local defence R&D can happen outside of Denel and without being hamstrung by government (corruption, BEE, cadre deployment and other examples of nepotism, indecision, bad decisions, basically everything for which the ANC is infamous).

Fund maintenance activities that Denel performs for the SANDF and SAPS, don't fund R&D which would be pearls cast before swine.

SA needs Denzel as well as my skills. Denzel has all the technology the world needs. They can build anything but they are restricted by government incompetence and internal ANC factional battles. Private ownership should be 52%. There are too many unnecessary things that are imported that could be manufactured locally and be exported. South Africa stands a good chance to control African continent trade before China takes over.
And what are your skills Mr Washington?

Yes, but we don't need this Denel we need a private Denel which may have a cooperative agreement with the state. There is no/yes answer here, the less state intervention the better.
I could not agree more :thumbsup:

That's what state looters count on, being the only ones who can provide that service. And if you are not the only ones who do it, you enforce it aka SAPO.
As things stand now, I think it is safe to say that Denel is currently incapable of providing anything that even the SANDF needs, case in point being Hoefyster.
 
SA needs Denzel as well as my skills. Denzel has all the technology the world needs. They can build anything but they are restricted by government incompetence and internal ANC factional battles. Private ownership should be 52%. There are too many unnecessary things that are imported that could be manufactured locally and be exported. South Africa stands a good chance to control African continent trade before China takes over.
gotta watch that auto-correct there.
 
Only SA and the ANC can't make money from selling arms , bet they would fail at the poppy market
 
2 part question, so gets a 2 part answer.

Yes we need Denel, but no its not worth pumping billions into to keep afloat.
 
I also believe we need a Denel but not how it's run at the moment, should be independent. The ANC messed it up with deals with Gupta's etc.

There is a huge market in SA and overseas to manufacture small arms ammunitions for example.
 
Denel needs a better sales team.
They need to supply both teams.
The movie International comes to mind. They sold the Arabs the missiles and to the Israelis the missile tracking devices.

Yes the Arabs found out and killed everyone but you get the gist.
This is the ingenuity Denel needs.
 
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SA needs Denzel as well as my skills. Denzel has all the technology the world needs. They can build anything but they are restricted by government incompetence and internal ANC factional battles. Private ownership should be 52%. There are too many unnecessary things that are imported that could be manufactured locally and be exported. South Africa stands a good chance to control African continent trade before China takes over.
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