Dot Computers (wtf) - part 2

[BTTB]

The Future

I wish to add a few comments.

I have not been following the Person Saga if I may call it that.
I do not know Person and I have no affiliation to him.
What I have read is that the young man is 19 years of age.
Without judging him or anyone, he is still a Minor.
Perhaps many on this forum are still minors as is often apparent by the choice of words from some of the posts.
I do not know who has lost money or who was done short, but perhaps it may be a lesson learnt from both the "purchasers" and Person as the "seller".

Not many people I know have a business at the age of 19 years?
Someone that has just completed Matric last year.
He has still a lot to learn in business and everyone needs a break in life?

From my point of view as a Moderator, a task I was asked to do by the Administrator RPM, which I volunteered for, this thread and the other one is proof to me that using this forum as a place of business is not a good idea.
If RPM asks me tomorrow what I think about the matter I am going to tell him in short that we should adhere to the Terms and Conditions of the site and ban any form of selling or advertising on the site completely. No more. Nadda.
Why should we bother with it as when we do make comments like IC did a few posts before this one, we(the Mods) are treated with contempt by people like Jeeva, who might I add is also selling computer equipment from what I have seen in another thread?

Even this last week I have been called a d!cktator by Angelo.

The Future.
From a Mod point of view, we wish only to make our task easier and that the forum runs smoothly.
If that ends up being more strict and getting rid of all forms of advertising. Even the link in your signature. Then so be it.
Why should I care?
Peace.

 

[MrBean_pm]

@ BTTB:

Hello, I tend to agree with some points, and disagree with others wrt your comments.

You can successfully run and control sale of goods on the Forum. Normal members are only allowed to sell 2nd hand goods, with a decent depreciation in value as compared to new, and then, why not let dealers register, as we have done elsewhere, let them pay a certain part of their commission towards site administration, this way you make sure you get decent dealers, and they pay for the right to deal - can alleviate some costs wrt hosting, etc, and keep the guys honest, and competitive.

Should they transgress the laws and rules, ban them - or block their rights to trade until they conform to your rules.

Simple, really, and very workable

Yes, I am a Moderator too, once rules are in place, and enforced, it runs like a well-oiled machine.

Otherwise, Admin might consider giving global rights to all moderators for that section, to lighten the load. But, then, Moderators must be capable of dealing with isues in a fair manner, and members should stick to the simple rules.

a Solution, and a workable one.

I have no idea why you have acted in the way you have and I do not believe for one second that it is because of your age or immaturity

Mmm...if I think back 21 years to when I was 18 or 19, I can very much understand Person's arrogance, and inability to deal with this situation - he is immature, and probably thinks he is the worlds answer to everyone's computer needs.

It is inexcusable what he has done, but in my mind maturity plays a big role here, he is probably a spoilt brat with rich parents who never had to answer for anything in his life, and if **** happened, Daddy was always there to take his hand and fix matters for him.

Unfortunately many youngsters (but not all) from this background exhibits this specific behaviour, one of arrogance, agression, pride....no ability to apologise when they have mucked up, and they are always right - and the world, and everyone in it owes them something.

Person strikes me as one of these little kiddies, and hopefully by the time he reaches 30-35+ he would have learnt how to deal with life, accept it, and the responsibility that comes with it. But, then again, some just never get there, and I hope he grows up sooner rather than later, otherwise he might have severe issues when he grows up.

He lives in denial.

@ Person: Umm, I am quite open and straight forward, so, let me clear this out with you - I am not scared of threats, lawyers, whatever matie. If you have an issue to sort out, PM me, I will forward you my address details, please send me the Lawyers Letters.

But, don't waste my time with idle threats, it will serve no purpose.

Some advice if I may: You can bullsh!t everyone around you, but never yourself - I hope you are not in the position already, that you are so entwined with your own lies that you cannot distinghuish between it and the truth.

You owe at least some of your Customers an apology - learn to be humble, apologise when you screwed up, fix your problem, and this what you will earn is what is called respect, a term unknown to you, but quite coomon in the adult world.

You can do 1000 good deeds, and make only one mistake, and guess which one people will remember? The one mistake.

Quite a few members here have given you good advice, a lot of critisism, both constructive and destructive - take the good out of this,learn, and apply it.

Turn your life around, and earn that respect. You will be a better person, and feel it too.

Unfortunately, at this point in time, you have none, even your threats are very, very shallow and empty.

Remember this - it takes a Man to admit to his mistakes, and apologize ...

a Coward will hide from the truth, and live in denial - as you do now.

It is your choice what you want to be - Man, or Coward. Remember, Person, this choice will affect your whole life, and even your self respect - and this is something you don't want to loose.

Enough from me, use this, do whatever you want, but I for one really hope you can turn this around, and make a success of your endeavours - I know you have the ability to do this, I just hope as hell you have the character too.

Kind regards,
MrBean.

 

[BTTB]

Hello Mr Bean.

Thanks for your comments.

This post is going to get lost as this thread is moving fairly fast.
May I suggest that you make a similar thread under the Forum suggestions and gripes and perhaps RPM may consider it.

I think a reseller section has value as it would bring more traffic to the site, but what when something goes wrong?
Your Laws and Rules suggestion is probably the only way to keep it clean.
But then the site will become commercial and will the current advertisers like the idea?

Just we cannot be held responsible. From Jeeva's comment in the previous page he suggests that had we listened to him much earlier we would have known to be weary of Person. But how can we? We have to be impartial.
I have no clue who Person is and if he claims to have 3000 employees then who am I to say otherwise. We may be Mods, but we cannot look through the screen to the other side.

To round off.
The Mods are a bit peeved perhaps?
We try our utmost to be impartial and see everyone's point, but it is difficult.
Initially MyADSL was not created for this purpose, but as the site evolved so did the need arise for Hardware Discussions.

This is what the site is about.
To serve the South African broadband and IT community.
Perhaps we need to redefine our purpose, but that would be the task of the Admin in consultation with the Members, I would think?

But post your suggestion in the appropriate place. RPM will be sure to pick it up.

Cheers,
BTTB

 

[MrBean_pm]

Hello BTTB,
I will do so, and yes, as you say, you have to be impartial, even accept some form of abuse, and all the nonsense that comes with being a Mod.

At the end of the day, as the Community grows, and expands, so does the quest for knowledge, and sometimes the result is a bit of lost focus for what you exactly stand for.

But, there is always the issue of hits/month, which keeps sponsors happy, keep competition (hopefully healthy) between local Forii (humpty-dumpty), and keeping members interested, and happy.

So yes, with hardware discussions comes benchmarking/modding/overclocking/cooling, and then, re-sale of not-so-old hardware to try and keep up with technology.

So it is a bit difficult sometimes to keep everyone happy all of the time, the best we can do is keep most members happy most of the time.

But, it is fun being a Mod most of the time

Keep up the good effort.

MrBean.

MyADSL does not want to become a market place where street vendors hound forumites as they pass by on their way to post something.

This was not what I implied, maybe re-read my post? There is a few very honorable Specialist Hardware Dealers around, which can cater for the needs of those individuals who have such needs - I am not referring to your local Incredible Connection et al.

These guys have taken the time to investigate the market, the needs, and study procedures how to get the best high-quality hardware from the States/China etc at very good procing, + carry warranty stock.

You may not have the need for a super zoom-zoom stick of memory/FX-62 as an example, but maybe a lot of your other members have that need?

But, this is purely a debate, see it as such, not a way to illicit negative response from anyone - it is a good way of airing different views, and understanding, but not neccessarily agreeing with the other candidate's view?

Soz for the confusion, hope it is a bit more clear now?

 

[dualmeister]

Could we get back on topic now

 

[BTTB]

Hello BTTB,
I will do so, and yes, as you say, you have to be impartial, even accept some form of abuse, and all the nonsense that comes with being a Mod.

At the end of the day, as the Community grows, and expands, so does the quest for knowledge, and sometimes the result is a bit of lost focus for what you exactly stand for.

But, there is always the issue of hits/month, which keeps sponsors happy, keep competition (hopefully healthy) between local Forii (humpty-dumpty), and keeping members interested, and happy.

So yes, with hardware discussions comes benchmarking/modding/overclocking/cooling, and then, re-sale of not-so-old hardware to try and keep up with technology.

So it is a bit difficult sometimes to keep everyone happy all of the time, the best we can do is keep most members happy most of the time.

But, it is fun being a Mod most of the time

Keep up the good effort.

MrBean.

Thanks Mr Bean.
We try.

 

[BTTB]

Could we get back on topic now

Ok, I am leaving.

Use the Report Bad Post feature if you need me.
Cheers.

 

[dualmeister]

Hehe. For the record I like the forum as they are. I'm on local bandwidth only most of the time so ....

Person when are the letters being delivered ? Are your lawyers sending them via PM ? Hope much money do you hope to make from suing your customers ?

 

[MrBean_pm]

Person when are the letters being delivered ?

I am anxiously awaiting mine too, wonder if he will have the "funds" to have them send to Oz? rofl....

 

[Highflyer_GP]

The thread starter has changed

 

[nGAGEd55]

The thread starter has changed

Seems as if that thread that started when the first Dot Computers (wth) thread was closed, was merged with this one

 

[jabulani]

Person when are the letters being delivered ? Are your lawyers sending them via PM ? Hope much money do you hope to make from suing your customers ?

How real is this legal threat?

- He claims he is using his US lawyers in Boston
- He gives us the address of a lawyers' guild, not a firm of attorneys
- All the issues fall under South African law ( purchase contracts, defamation, whatever )
- The mythical Boston lawyer is unlikely to have any rights to practice law in SA so would have to engage an SA legal firm, while taking a nice cut in US dollar-based fees
- Apart from a few potential defendants ( e. g. rpm and his wronged customers ) he does not know who we are
- To find out, the lawyers would have to obtain some kind of court order forcing rpm or his web host to reveal details of IP addresses and email addresses
- That won't get them too far, as an IP address could be that of a proxy or gateway, behind which are MANY people
- Nor will email addresses - forkface@gmail.com would require getting a USA court order to reveal any details from Google, and would probably only lead to forkface@yahoo.com and so on....
- The costs of this would all be prohibitive
- In any event he has cooked his own goose as far as his reputation is concerned with many provable lies and customer hostility, so he HAS NO CASE for damages

IANAL and would appreciate comments from someone who is. But IMHO these threats are clearly and obviously yet more of his BS and lies.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

Seems as if that thread that started when the first Dot Computers (wth) thread was closed, was merged with this one

No seems like the complaint against the first thread being closed (the one from forum suggestions and gripes) was merged

 

[nGAGEd55]

No seems like the complaint against the first thread being closed (the one from forum suggestions and gripes) was merged

Thats the one I was referring to

Sorry if i wasnt coming across very clearly, just woke up so not quite thinking straight yet

 

[Jeeva]

Standard Bank: A\c Name: Brian Gibello A\c No.078093325 Branch no. 025 -209 (Kromboom) Nedbank: A\c Name : Brian Gibello A\c No. 2642048055 Branch no. 164-205 (Kenilworth)

DOT Information Technology Head Office
Reg Number: 2004\057417\23 5 Greenfields
36 Greenfield Road Tel: +27 (82) 839-3223
Kenilworth Sales: +27 (21) 761-2344
Www.dotcomputers.co.za Cape Town, South Africa
...
DOT was founded in 2003, became an employee-owned company in 2004, and currently employs around 500 people, of which half are engaged in sales and marketing positions. Revenue for DOT was R1.75bn in 2005 and is projected to be R2.2bn in 2006 representing 25% year-on-year growth. DOT ranks as one the top IT distributors in SA.
...
Main Board: Brian Gibello, Janet Gibello, Richard Zaremba

^ Big lol

I've got a lot more info!

 

[Freshy-ZN]

OMG Jeeva, where the hell did you see that? What a totally insane fantasy world old Brian must live in!

 

[Carlhead]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So the guy does 1.7bn though his personal account and SARS doesn't stress???

WTF!

Sheesh competes with Rectron and Sahara.... but at least they have company bank accounts.

[edit] I think he could claim insanity, should this ever reach the legal stage [/edit]

 

[Highflyer_GP]

hahaha his revenue from selling hardware would make the cell operators blush

 

[Carlhead]

If he's going to blatantly lie, the least he could do was make it remotely believable... I mean come on!

 

[dualmeister]

Revenue for DOT was R1.75bn in 2005 and is projected to be R2.2bn in 2006 representing 25% year-on-year growth. DOT ranks as one the top IT distributors in SA.

Thats nothing. My turnover was R600 trillion last month from selling cookies.