Double taxation on foreign dividends?

Tosser

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Can someone pse explain in laymans terms how does the double taxation occur? And if it can be ‘avoided’?

The way it appears to me is that if a foreign company, dual listed on the JSE (such as EPP) declares dividends then these are taxed at the domiciled country as well as in RSA.
In the EPP example this will be 15% by Dutch tax, and then 20% by SA tax. Does this mean that taxation on dividends then amount to a whopping 35%?

TIA



EPP Sens below:

"UPDATE: DIVIDEND FOR THE SIX MONTHS TO 30 JUNE 2017

EPP shareholders are referred to the dividend declaration contained in the condensed consolidated financial information

for the six month period ended 30 June 2017, announced on Tuesday, 5 September 2017 (the “June 2017 dividend”), as

well as the finalisation information in respect of the dividend, announced on Tuesday, 12 September 2017.

As previously announced, shareholders on the company’s South African register were entitled to a gross local dividend

amount of ZAR79.93880 cents per share in respect of the June 2017 dividend. Dutch dividend withholding tax

(“DWHT”) at a rate of 15% was withheld by EPP on the dividend, unless a shareholder met the formal requirements for

reduced DWHT in terms of the tax treaty concluded between the Netherlands and South Africa (“NL-SA treaty”).

As the dividend was also subject to South African dividends withholding tax (“SADWT”) at a rate of 20%, unless a

shareholder qualified for an exemption from SADWT, dividends received in respect of EPP shares on the South African

register were subject to an additional SADWT, as further detailed below.

Relief from DWHT for South African shareholders

In terms of the NL-SA treaty, a reduced DWHT rate applies in certain instances.

Companies resident in South Africa that own 10% or more of the capital of EPP

A reduced DWHT rate of 5% applies to qualifying companies resident in South Africa that own 10% or more of the

capital of EPP.*

In respect of the June 2017 dividend, this reduced DWHT rate will only have been applied at source if certain formal

requirements were satisfied by the relevant shareholder. If these formal requirements were not met and 15% DWHT has

been suffered in the Netherlands by a company resident in South Africa that owns 10% or more of the capital of EPP,

shareholders may claim a refund by providing the following details to the company:

(i) name, address and place of residency;

(ii) amount, number and percentage shares owned in EPP; and

(iii) a tax residency certificate issued by the South African tax authorities.

EPP will then file the relevant request with the Dutch Tax Authorities (“DTA”) and after EPP having received the DWHT

refund from the DTA, refund the relevant shareholder(s) accordingly.

Shareholders who in future wish to have the reduced DWHT applied at source are required to be provide the above details

to the company no less than 8 weeks prior to the declaration of a dividend. The company will upon receipt of the above

information file a request with the DTA to obtain written confirmation of a reduced DWHT, which decision should be

provided in principle within 6 weeks. Any such decision will remain valid for a period of 4 years, provided that the

relevant requirements continue to be met by the shareholder concerned.

Companies resident in South Africa that own less than 10% of the capital of EPP and individual persons tax resident in

South Africa

A reduced DWHT rate of 10% applies to qualifying companies resident in South Africa that own less than 10% of the

capital of EPP and qualifying individual persons tax resident in South Africa.*

In respect of the June 2017 dividend, this reduced DWHT rate will only have been applied at source if certain formal

requirements were satisfied by the relevant shareholder. If these formal requirements were not met and 15% DWHT has

been suffered in the Netherlands by a company resident in South Africa that owns less than 10% of the capital of EPP or

individual persons tax resident in South Africa, such shareholder may claim a refund by registering at

www.belastingdienst.nl/refunddividendtax and submitting the required documentation online. Although at the date of this

announcement, the registration form provides for corporate entities and authorised representatives only, this form may

also be used by individuals.

Shareholders who in future wish to have the reduced DWHT applied at source, are required, each and every time a

dividend is declared by the company, to send a signed IB-92 statement to the South African Revenue Service for

signature and stamp certifying the shareholder’s place of residence, and provide such signed and stamped IB-92 statement

to the company prior to the declaration of a dividend. The company will file the statement with the DTA together with its

DWHT return. The IB-92 statement can be found at www.belastingdienst.nl/refunddividendtax.

SADWT"
 

marco

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Not sure if you live in NL but your "slaapstad" is perhaps Kaapstad.

Either way, if you live in NL and have shares in SA the DTA will cap the DWT at 15%. If you live in SA and invest in NL then the 15% will apply. If you live in NL then SA will not tax you on any CGT as it is residency based and you will pay tax in NL only.

Been there. Done that.
 

Tosser

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Not sure if you live in NL but your "slaapstad" is perhaps Kaapstad.

Either way, if you live in NL and have shares in SA the DTA will cap the DWT at 15%. If you live in SA and invest in NL then the 15% will apply. If you live in NL then SA will not tax you on any CGT as it is residency based and you will pay tax in NL only.

Been there. Done that.

Thanks Marco

I am indeed a SA resident residing in Cape Town.

So if I understand correctly, the NL DWT will be 15% which as a personal tax payer I cannot avoid , with the SA dividend withholding tax of 20% applied thereafter - making the shares less attractive from a REIT perspective. Better to invest in local REIT's then, but there goes the offshore exposure then.
 

silkenphoenixx

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Thanks Marco

I am indeed a SA resident residing in Cape Town.

So if I understand correctly, the NL DWT will be 15% which as a personal tax payer I cannot avoid , with the SA dividend withholding tax of 20% applied thereafter - making the shares less attractive from a REIT perspective. Better to invest in local REIT's then, but there goes the offshore exposure then.

Just FYI - here in SA, there's no DWT on REITs. Those dividends are delivered to you in their entirety and you have to declare them and pay tax on them as though they were rental income, so whatever your nominal rate is.

I only have REIT exposure in my TFSA, and through retirement annuities, precisely for this reason.
 

Tosser

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Just FYI - here in SA, there's no DWT on REITs. Those dividends are delivered to you in their entirety and you have to declare them and pay tax on them as though they were rental income, so whatever your nominal rate is.

I only have REIT exposure in my TFSA, and through retirement annuities, precisely for this reason.

Excellent. thanks so much for the feedback, much appreciated.
 
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