Driver's licence scanners and Popia

[Jan]

Driving licence card scanner warning for estates

Managers and oversight bodies of estates, office parks, and other properties that scan driving licence cards or discs for access control should ensure these outsourced systems comply with the Protection of Private Information Act (Popia).

Information Regulator chair Advocate Pansy Tlakula recently told radio station 702 that she believed some gated communities and office parks violated Popia by collecting too much personal information.

 

[Bad Ballie]

So estates overstep their legal bounds on a regular basis then. Glad I don't have this problem at the moment, although I would gladly cancel any contracts in places like this that required this sort of 'none of their damn business' overstepping of the mark.

 

[hj007]

I can't wait for Senzo Mchunu rocking up at estates and starting to arrest those hardened criminals sitting on the beach collecting too much personal information and not letting people into private property.... we really need to go after these guys /s

 

[Bernoldus Niemand]

Popia? Reminds me of this

 

[jason_m]

Really dislike the driver's licence scanning. There is tons of data on a driver's license card and vehicle disk that can be used to enrich other datasets. And when you enter an estate / office, firstly one has no choice; and secondly, one has no idea how one's information is being used.

For those who say, well just don't enter the private property, that's like saying just give up living. Can't visit any friends then and more importantly, can't do one's job.

 

[Bliksis]

Really dislike the driver's licence scanning. There is tons of data on a driver's license card and vehicle disk that can be used to enrich other datasets. And when you enter an estate / office, firstly one has no choice; and secondly, one has no idea how one's information is being used.

For those who say, well just don't enter the private property, that's like saying just give up living. Can't visit any friends then and more importantly, can't do one's job.

I was not aware that some twat would actually say "Just don't enter private property". Jissis funny.

 

[Swa]

I disagree, any of those can be falsified. This is just like our gov taking on private individuals making things safer but large institutions get away leaking our info like there's no tomorrow.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Really dislike the driver's licence scanning. There is tons of data on a driver's license card and vehicle disk that can be used to enrich other datasets. And when you enter an estate / office, firstly one has no choice; and secondly, one has no idea how one's information is being used.

For those who say, well just don't enter the private property, that's like saying just give up living. Can't visit any friends then and more importantly, can't do one's job.

Well then give up living.

 

[hj007]

I disagree, any of those can be falsified. This is just like our gov taking on private individuals making things safer but large institutions get away leaking our info like there's no tomorrow.

soft targets

 

[PaulGherkin]

The POPIA is supposedly aligned with GDPR and is often seen as rather equivalent. In practice however the POPIA was implemented because of the usual pressure the ANC gets, and it is not being enforced.

The main argument is that I have seen a lot of these "solutions" used at estates and office parks. Lots of Chinesium (cheap junk Chonky brand readers/biometrics/scanners/etc used and those things are not certified as secure. Also, there is no control or even any public declaration I can find about the controls. Security companies are notorious for poor form, as they think they're cops and their regulatory body is too busy dealing with court cases and shyte.

What I do know is that the PDF417 code on the license is pretty much an open secret. I have seen a long time ago (posts are gone of course) on this very forum requests were made for the decryption key and it was shared. That means any Tom, Dick, and Harry can read the information supposedly protected.

Of course the right way is to revoke the key, but you know.... the ANC and the cooldrink money revenue generation out there.. Would mean all the cop's terminals would need updating etc..

Identity theft is happening around every corner. And that driver's license card has enough info in it to certainly give any crook an advantage

 

[jason_m]

It always amazes me how many freedoms some are willing to give away for the sake of security.

 

[epah]

Their estate, their rules. Dont like their rules, dont enter their property, it really is that simple.

 

[ToxicBunny]

It always amazes me how many freedoms some are willing to give away for the sake of security.

You aren't giving away any freedoms, someone else is requiring you offer up information for access to their private property. You can refuse to offer that information, and they can refuse you entry. Your choice.

 

[Rickster]

Really dislike the driver's licence scanning. There is tons of data on a driver's license card and vehicle disk that can be used to enrich other datasets. And when you enter an estate / office, firstly one has no choice; and secondly, one has no idea how one's information is being used.

For those who say, well just don't enter the private property, that's like saying just give up living. Can't visit any friends then and more importantly, can't do one's job.

What's stopping someone from scanning the disk from a car that is parked on the street or in a car park?

 

[WollieVerstege]

I disagree, any of those can be falsified. This is just like our gov taking on private individuals making things safer but large institutions get away leaking our info like there's no tomorrow.

And importantly, only the driver get identified. If Osama bin Laden is sitting in the passenger seat with dynamite strapped to his chest, no one cares.

 

[jason_m]

What's stopping someone from scanning the disk from a car that is parked on the street or in a car park?

Sure. But they can't scan my driver's licence in the street on car park.

 

[gotaway]

Just rock up at these gates. Deny having a drivers license. They’ll pull out a book somewhere for you to sign in as Donald Duck / Colonel Sanders / Mike Bolhuis / whoever you want to be

 

[Mirai]

Their estate, their rules. Dont like their rules, dont enter their property, it really is that simple.

They're technically supposed to protect the data they capture.

Also what's the deal with scanning the disc and the driver's license?

Surely only one should suffice?

 

[Swa]

They're technically supposed to protect the data they capture.

Also what's the deal with scanning the disc and the driver's license?

Surely only one should suffice?

POPIA is backwards. None of the large companies get taken to task because they, supposedly, have the necessary protections in place. At least that is what they would claim if it comes to that. But if I deal with one person's data I'm expected to go above and beyond to protect that data.

It is and always was a farce placing an onerous burden on individuals. It should be the other way where large corporates have more to protect there should be additional measures in place. The general public, non-business entities and small businesses should have more leeway and less of a burden with less at their disposal.

 

[Swa]

It always amazes me how many freedoms some are willing to give away for the sake of security.

Government is the entity which reduces freedom through legislation. When a private entity takes action it is not curbing people's freedoms but exercising it.

By definition a private entity can't take away anyone's freedom as it does not have the monopoly on force.