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Safferbeauty

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I think they should be locked away for a long time. I have just read in news 24 that a couple of people have been killed because of them and a young 17 or 18 year old matric lost his life this weekend sue to a drunk driver. Can the people who are drinking stay out of the drivers seat. If you drinking and driving, you are not only risking your life but those of others as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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I think that they should be charged with attempted murder. That is what a driver with an alcohol content above the legal limit is trying to do, either killing him, his passengers, pedestrians or other motorists.
 
I red on news 24 hat if there are any death in an accident they want to charge the drunken drivers with murder. It's just not fair. I have no problem with people drinking, hell its part of nature but I have a major problem with people who get drunk and then still attempt to drive home.
 
Safferbeauty said:
I red on news 24 hat if there are any death in an accident they want to charge the drunken drivers with murder. It's just not fair. I have no problem with people drinking, hell its part of nature but I have a major problem with people who get drunk and then still attempt to drive home.
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Whole problem is when you get drunk your judgement goes out the window and you could swear you are 100% ok to drive. Which you ain't.
 
That why when you go drinking with friends, one of them should be stone cold sober, who is OK to drive.
 
Safferbeauty said:
I think they should be locked away for a long time. I have just read in news 24 that a couple of people have been killed because of them and a young 17 or 18 year old matric lost his life this weekend sue to a drunk driver. Can the people who are drinking stay out of the drivers seat. If you drinking and driving, you are not only risking your life but those of others as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Safferbeauty said:
I red on news 24 hat if there are any death in an accident they want to charge the drunken drivers with murder. It's just not fair. I have no problem with people drinking, hell its part of nature but I have a major problem with people who get drunk and then still attempt to drive home.
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People should also not post here when they drunk :p ... referring to the spelling :wtf:
 
geezer said:
I think that they should be charged with attempted murder. That is what a driver with an alcohol content above the legal limit is trying to do, either killing him, his passengers, pedestrians or other motorists.
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Just to clear things; the intend of a drunken driver is to get home,go to a friend, go to the next pub or whatever. The killing of other people caused by such a driver is accidental. However, this does not give such a person the right to get behind a steering wheel.

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That why when you go drinking with friends, one of them should be stone cold sober, who is OK to drive.
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If I had my drivers and i went out with friend that drink, I would prob be the one to be sobe and sit and drink coke all night hahaha
 
Ekstasis said:
Just to clear things; the intend of a drunken driver is to get home,go to a friend, go to the next pub or whatever. The killing of other people caused by such a driver is accidental. However, this does not give such a person the right to get behind a steering wheel.

Solution: what Safferbeauty said..
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U r 100% right. Their intention is obviously not murder but I guess sometimes drunk people are too big for their boots. Best solution. Rather have a braai at home and drink there :D
 
Ekstasis said:
Just to clear things; the intend of a drunken driver is to get home,go to a friend, go to the next pub or whatever. The killing of other people caused by such a driver is accidental. However, this does not give such a person the right to get behind a steering wheel.

Solution: what Safferbeauty said..
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If you know that you are going to drink alcohol and then drive, you're well aware of what you intend to do.

No-one, at any point, put a gun to such a person's head and forced them to drink and then drive.

That is the only intention that matters and that is the one that makes them criminals.
 
Murder is a type of homicide. If somebody is playing with a loaded gun and it goes off accidentally blowing someone's brains out in the process the charge shouldn't be any different to that of someone getting behind the wheel plastered.
 
Safferbeauty said:
U r 100% right. Their intention is obviously not murder but I guess sometimes drunk people are too big for their boots. Best solution. Rather have a braai at home and drink there :D
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Its called Dolus Eventualis (or something like that), the same used on the traincrossing taxi driver Humphries and he was convicted of murder. You go out and do something you know is wrong and could possibly lead to someones death but you console yourself with that fact and do it anyway...
 
geezer said:
I think that they should be charged with attempted murder. That is what a driver with an alcohol content above the legal limit is trying to do, either killing him, his passengers, pedestrians or other motorists.
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Ja, murder is a premeditated crime. In other words for a killing to be a murder there had to be the desire to kill someone. I'm not sure if there is such thing as attempted manslaughter.

My point is to successfully prosecute a drunk driver with attempted murder you'd have to basically take a giant crap all over the legal system. You will go to jail if you kill someone while drunk driving and going to jail is a pretty terrible prospect for your average person. You've got to figure that people aren't giving the consequences of their actions due consideration if they are drunk driving and I don't see how stricter sentences are going to remedy that.

Is behaving irresponsibly as bad as committing a premeditated crime. No it's not.

The answer to drunk driving is cheap, safe, reliable public transport.
 
Ekstasis said:
Just to clear things; the intend of a drunken driver is to get home,go to a friend, go to the next pub or whatever. The killing of other people caused by such a driver is accidental. However, this does not give such a person the right to get behind a steering wheel.

Solution: what Safferbeauty said..
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Btw, how is Friedel Roller doing? That case has gone awfully quite. Expensive lawyers involved?
 
Nick333 said:
Ja, murder is a premeditated crime. In other words for a killing to be a murder there had to be the desire to kill someone. I'm not sure if there is such thing as attempted manslaughter.

My point is to successfully prosecute a drunk driver with attempted murder you'd have to basically take a giant crap all over the legal system. You will go to jail if you kill someone while drunk driving and going to jail is a pretty terrible prospect for your average person. You've got to figure that people aren't giving the consequences of their actions due consideration if they are drunk driving and I don't see how stricter sentences are going to remedy that.

Is behaving irresponsibly as bad as committing a premeditated crime. No it's not.

The answer to drunk driving is cheap, safe, reliable public transport.
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What about murder "in the heat of the moment", called something else? Or assault where someone dies?
 
Ja do you think that will ever happen. It would be great if it did though. U never know. There is still hope
 
Nick333 said:
The answer to drunk driving is cheap, safe, reliable public transport.
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In South Africa? Where many middle-class generations have grown up with a culture of "Public transport? In South Africa? You must be mad." I don't see that happening even if such an eventuality arose.

People who want to drink and drive will do so regardless. This is exactly why countries with world-class public transport still have drunk drivers. Though you might argue that there are fewer, that may well be true.

What I do know is that people make a choice when they climb into their cars with the intention of going to a pub and having a few drinks. They know what they are planning to do, and they are aware that it is dangerous for themselves and those around them and this is long before anyone can argue that their judgement has been impaired by drink.

It isn't much different to sitting in front of Pick 'n Pay playing with a loaded gun: you know it's dangerous, you know it's not allowed for very good reasons, but you're doing it anyway.

The only thing that will ever do anything to deal with drunk driving is when people take responsibility, grow up and stop acting like snot-nosed brats who think drinking is "cool."

Adults don't need to drink to have fun, and adults certainly don't hop into a car and drive around drunk.

But then, unfortunately "adulthood" doesn't necessarily bring an adult mindset to the table.

Driving drunk is premeditated the moment a sober person picks up a drink knowing that they'll be climbing into a car afterwards.

As far as I'm concerned, if someone gets harmed by it, it's murder.
 
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