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Hi guys,

I'm a real noobie when it comes to cameras, but recently I've spent some time using a Nikon D7000 (if I'm correct) and have found it to be a beautiful camera.

I've always been into photography, but have never sat down and bought a good camera to take some really nice shots.

This brings me to why I'm here. I have no idea what is ideal, as at the moment I have some stupid Sony Steadyshot, which is becoming useless. I don't know what camera's are good, what's lenses are great, basically not much about specs etc, but I'm willing to go on a course to learn how to use a DSLR.

My budget is around 8-9K, including body and lens.
I would do it myself, but I have no idea what I'm looking at.

I saw this posted by another forum member: http://m.kalahari.com/Camera-Photo-Video/Nikon-D5200-Bundle_p_49780806
Is this any good?

I'd really appreciate if someone could help me out, as its a long term investment, but I don't want to break the bank.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Best go to a camera shop and ask them to show you both Nikons and Canons.

Both makes are excellent and are used by a very large percentage of the professionals out here.
 
Best go to a camera shop and ask them to show you both Nikons and Canons.

Both makes are excellent and are used by a very large percentage of the professionals out here.

I also thought of this, going to try and pop in tomorrow. Thanks :)
 
Well, if that D700 you handeld is for sale, it will probably go for about the kind of money that the low end bodies go for, and it still runs circles around all of them. It is an outstanding camera (this coming from a Canon shooter....)
 
Well, if that D700 you handeld is for sale, it will probably go for about the kind of money that the low end bodies go for, and it still runs circles around all of them. It is an outstanding camera (this coming from a Canon shooter....)

Did you drop a 0 along the way or are you actually talking about the D700?
 
Did you drop a 0 along the way or are you actually talking about the D700?

Koffie - you get some very good deals at Kakro or Shame at times . Buy a Bundle deal and you are sorted.
 
Originally Posted by rrh
Best go to a camera shop and ask them to show you both Nikons and Canons.

Both makes are excellent and are used by a very large percentage of the professionals out here
I also thought of this, going to try and pop in tomorrow. Thanks :)

Try visiting Kameraz in Oxford Road https://www.kameraz.com/

They have a reputation for knowing their stuff and are not a bunch of box-pushers.
 
Well, if that D700 you handeld is for sale, it will probably go for about the kind of money that the low end bodies go for, and it still runs circles around all of them. It is an outstanding camera (this coming from a Canon shooter....)

I'm sure it was definitely a D7000, but I also agree, what an amazing camera.
 
Good Morning,

When I’ve entered the camera market, there wasn’t really one quick answer to my questions, and as a new buyer the things are expensive, so you can’t afford to make a mistake. So from 2006 I’ve read up allot, bought few things and played with it, and I will give you a very simplified version of my research and experience, and hopefully you can make a “more informed” decision.

DSLR cameras mainly are made up of 3 components, body, lenses and flash.
When you read all this, and on the internet, just take the following in mind, before DSLR cameras, there were SLR cameras (like Pentax) with a 35mm film, and that film you got in different quality or should I say better or worse capability to capture light when exposed. This is the ISO rating.

The idea of a camera is to capture light reflection similar to what your eyes see and convert into a picture. So a camera work in nearly all aspects the same as your eyes. Then there are two things I would say to photography, one taking a clear / focused and balanced photo, and two the way you take a picture, the angle, the moment etc. that make the picture to come “alive”. I can’t comment on the second part, but regarding the first, there are 3-4 things that affect the picture quality.
1) Sensor sensitivity/quality – So Mega Pixel isn’t everything, but see it as it has the capability, that is the amount of light receptors that will be transferring light to digital data (your photo)
2) The aperture size – This how wide your shutter will open and take in amount of light at any given time. Take your eyes – the pupil would be wide open at night, to get in more light, and in bright daylight it would be small to take in less light.
3) The duration the shutter opens – If you take a photo of a sporting event, and in bright light, the shutter speed (that it opens and closes) would be really fast (parts of a mille second), and when you take photos at night that would open even a few seconds, to get enough light through to the sensor.
4) Lens quality – not all glass are equal, you get better optics, and cheaper glass that is just shaped into a lens.

So you can see with this information, the whole idea behind taking a picture and save to flash, is a combination or formula if you will of the amount of light, the duration the sensor gets exposed and the quality of the sensor. As the lens is the only way the light came in through, the quality of the glass makes the difference, you get less light through a cheap lens, so your pictures at night would look worse. The colour of the light can be tainted with cheap glass.

Last thing I should explain is the focal point. Say an object is 5 meters in front of you, and you focus on that object, then the focal distance would be 5 meters, and depending on the objects around the main object (the mountains or pot plants) are also in or out focus, that is the focal depth. Taking a shorter distance picture usually have a much bigger depth field, so more object are in-focus, say you zoom in 200meter away, the depth is very little, so only one thing is usually in focus, and the rest is out.

So back to the Cameras, each brand make a set of lenses that only fit on their brand, so once you buy into something, the chances are that you will stick with that brand, not meaning it’s a bad brand. There are slight differences in quality were the one brand excel in something and on other things the other excel. That’s why you get Canon or Nikon people (like Audi, BMW or Merc – all good cars, what’s your flavour).

You need to decide what you want to take pictures off?!

So my advise on buying a body would be, buy the best in the entry level market, even one lower. But buy quality lenses. I can’t emphasize this enough, your whole experience is based on the lenses you have, the rest is cheaper, and upgradable. Chances are that you would only buy a lens once, and go through 3-6 bodies.
I’m a Canon guy, so in Canon your body’s come in 3 layers from Entry level to Professional. xxxD would be entry level(under 10K), xxD bit better(10-20K) and xD the best(20K and over). They came out with some sub Entry level and then it is xxxxD. The price ranges just indicate, but not 100% accurate.
So in Canon world I would’ve advise you to go for a 700D or even 650D body.

Then the lenses:
1) If you want to take pictures of things less than 30mm from your camera, look at a lens that called Macro, and some of them has a fixed rating in mm.
2) If you want to take normal photos like you would on a point and shoot, then a 18-55mm lens would do the trick.
3) For people/ like weddings etc., and the most common lens to have would be a 18-200mm, with this you can take close-ups and zoom in at things in nature…
4) If you want to go and take allot of zoomed in pictures go for the 70-300mm or 100-500mm

Look at image stabilisation on the lenses, and you would be able to buy the best one for your money, also look at the F-rating, Lower is better.

Lastly the flashes, buy the biggest you can afford, unless you always take photos in the same environments (small rooms etc.) Then the build in one can work.
The purpose of the flash is to fill in the lack of light, so the bigger the flash, the bigger the area lit for the photo, (taking pictures in a school hall vs a room in you house) or even outdoors.
And don’t be a poephol, some guys take pictures of Table Mountain from Blouberg side, and they have their flashes on, how the hell is this small flash going to light up Table Mountain?!

With your budget I would go for a bundled deal with a Canon 650D or 700D with at least 1 lens 18-55mm.
https://www.ormsdirect.co.za/canon-...8-55-dc-lens-sandisk-8gb-extreme-card-and-bag

This would give you a good base to work from, and then as you have extra money, and you find there is a gap in your kit, then you can buy the lens only or the flash etc.
Add a lens for zoom (this one doesn’t have image stabilization) – My first extra lens
https://www.ormsdirect.co.za/canon-ef-75-300mm-f-4-5-6-lens

or if you have 6.5k for a lens (I would rather go for this one)
https://www.ormsdirect.co.za/canon-ef-70-300mm-f-4-5-6-is-usm-lens

Then Canon decided to make a compact DSLR camera, (in real life smaller, but same inside as the 700D) – The 100D – So it’s the same quality, but less weight.
https://www.ormsdirect.co.za/canon-...8-55mm-f-3-5-5-6-is-stm-ef-s-55-250mm-is-lens

I guess this is too much? But it’s really a spot on deal: - Only thing I don’t like is the big lens is a non-IS one, but that will push price to 15-16k)
https://www.ormsdirect.co.za/canon-eos-700d-ultimate-bundle

This is where the Nikon people need to help, but a Nikon D3200 with 18-55mm and 55-200mm lenses.
https://www.ormsdirect.co.za/nikon-...-vr-55-200mm-vr-lens-shoulder-bag-8gb-sd-card
or one higher (same I think as your Kalahari one)
https://www.ormsdirect.co.za/nikon-...0mm-lens-shoulder-bag-8gb-sd-card-card-reader

Here is a YouTube video to show the difference in body and lens, the guy is a bit weird/funny, but you get the idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk5IMmEDWH4

I was thinking allot to sell my kit and get a bridge camera (in between small digital and DSLR)(like the Canon SX60 HS – R5600), but the fact remain, light stays light, so on the super zoom bridge
cameras, impressive as it may be, it still capture only so much light and the photo quality can be a testament to that.
So maybe it’s only a numbers game, and not photo quality.

When doing the zoom thing, or high speed shots, or family pics, invest in a decent tri-pod. (the cheapy Game ones is a bit wobbly)

You can always just rent a lens for a special occasion, as you not always need the big stuff, so maybe have a good kit, and rent if needed. Much cheaper than owning one, and it’s in your bag 99% of the year.
https://www.outdoorphoto.co.za/
http://lens4rent.co.za/

I guess you didn’t expect a halve of a bible to answer your question, sorry if I over do it a little. I just wished someone explained it like this to me, it would cut the research and trips to store by allot!

So the short answer to your post, yes that is a very nice deal to get you started. What I can’t quickly see from the Kalahari add is if the lenses is image stabilized (think Nikon call it VR), If it is not, I’ll rather buy the body with a 18-55 lens that is stabilized, and later buy an extra lens, IS make a hell of a difference!
Although the Kalahari add is really at a good price, the IS would put me off.

Kind Regards,

Edit: Maybe get a filter for the lens as well, protection and better photo's.
 
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Good Morning,

When I’ve entered the camera market, there wasn’t really one quick answer to my questions, and as a new buyer the things are expensive, so you can’t afford to make a mistake. So from 2006 I’ve read up allot, bought few things and played with it, and I will give you a very simplified version of my research and experience, and hopefully you can make a “more informed” decision.

DSLR cameras mainly are made up of 3 components, body, lenses and flash.
When you read all this, and on the internet, just take the following in mind, before DSLR cameras, there were SLR cameras (like Pentax) with a 35mm film, and that film you got in different quality or should I say better or worse capability to capture light when exposed. This is the ISO rating.

The idea of a camera is to capture light reflection similar to what your eyes see and convert into a picture. So a camera work in nearly all aspects the same as your eyes. Then there are two things I would say to photography, one taking a clear / focused and balanced photo, and two the way you take a picture, the angle, the moment etc. that make the picture to come “alive”. I can’t comment on the second part, but regarding the first, there are 3-4 things that affect the picture quality.
1) Sensor sensitivity/quality – So Mega Pixel isn’t everything, but see it as it has the capability, that is the amount of light receptors that will be transferring light to digital data (your photo)
2) The aperture size – This how wide your shutter will open and take in amount of light at any given time. Take your eyes – the pupil would be wide open at night, to get in more light, and in bright daylight it would be small to take in less light.
3) The duration the shutter opens – If you take a photo of a sporting event, and in bright light, the shutter speed (that it opens and closes) would be really fast (parts of a mille second), and when you take photos at night that would open even a few seconds, to get enough light through to the sensor.
4) Lens quality – not all glass are equal, you get better optics, and cheaper glass that is just shaped into a lens.

So you can see with this information, the whole idea behind taking a picture and save to flash, is a combination or formula if you will of the amount of light, the duration the sensor gets exposed and the quality of the sensor. As the lens is the only way the light came in through, the quality of the glass makes the difference, you get less light through a cheap lens, so your pictures at night would look worse. The colour of the light can be tainted with cheap glass.

Last thing I should explain is the focal point. Say an object is 5 meters in front of you, and you focus on that object, then the focal distance would be 5 meters, and depending on the objects around the main object (the mountains or pot plants) are also in or out focus, that is the focal depth. Taking a shorter distance picture usually have a much bigger depth field, so more object are in-focus, say you zoom in 200meter away, the depth is very little, so only one thing is usually in focus, and the rest is out.

So back to the Cameras, each brand make a set of lenses that only fit on their brand, so once you buy into something, the chances are that you will stick with that brand, not meaning it’s a bad brand. There are slight differences in quality were the one brand excel in something and on other things the other excel. That’s why you get Canon or Nikon people (like Audi, BMW or Merc – all good cars, what’s your flavour).

You need to decide what you want to take pictures off?!

So my advise on buying a body would be, buy the best in the entry level market, even one lower. But buy quality lenses. I can’t emphasize this enough, your whole experience is based on the lenses you have, the rest is cheaper, and upgradable. Chances are that you would only buy a lens once, and go through 3-6 bodies.
I’m a Canon guy, so in Canon your body’s come in 3 layers from Entry level to Professional. xxxD would be entry level(under 10K), xxD bit better(10-20K) and xD the best(20K and over). They came out with some sub Entry level and then it is xxxxD. The price ranges just indicate, but not 100% accurate.
So in Canon world I would’ve advise you to go for a 700D or even 650D body.

Then the lenses:
1) If you want to take pictures of things less than 30mm from your camera, look at a lens that called Macro, and some of them has a fixed rating in mm.
2) If you want to take normal photos like you would on a point and shoot, then a 18-55mm lens would do the trick.
3) For people/ like weddings etc., and the most common lens to have would be a 18-200mm, with this you can take close-ups and zoom in at things in nature…
4) If you want to go and take allot of zoomed in pictures go for the 70-300mm or 100-500mm

Look at image stabilisation on the lenses, and you would be able to buy the best one for your money, also look at the F-rating, Lower is better.

Lastly the flashes, buy the biggest you can afford, unless you always take photos in the same environments (small rooms etc.) Then the build in one can work.
The purpose of the flash is to fill in the lack of light, so the bigger the flash, the bigger the area lit for the photo, (taking pictures in a school hall vs a room in you house) or even outdoors.
And don’t be a poephol, some guys take pictures of Table Mountain from Blouberg side, and they have their flashes on, how the hell is this small flash going to light up Table Mountain?!

With your budget I would go for a bundled deal with a Canon 650D or 700D with at least 1 lens 18-55mm.
https://www.ormsdirect.co.za/canon-...8-55-dc-lens-sandisk-8gb-extreme-card-and-bag

This would give you a good base to work from, and then as you have extra money, and you find there is a gap in your kit, then you can buy the lens only or the flash etc.
Add a lens for zoom (this one doesn’t have image stabilization) – My first extra lens
https://www.ormsdirect.co.za/canon-ef-75-300mm-f-4-5-6-lens

or if you have 6.5k for a lens (I would rather go for this one)
https://www.ormsdirect.co.za/canon-ef-70-300mm-f-4-5-6-is-usm-lens

Then Canon decided to make a compact DSLR camera, (in real life smaller, but same inside as the 700D) – The 100D – So it’s the same quality, but less weight.
https://www.ormsdirect.co.za/canon-...8-55mm-f-3-5-5-6-is-stm-ef-s-55-250mm-is-lens

I guess this is too much? But it’s really a spot on deal: - Only thing I don’t like is the big lens is a non-IS one, but that will push price to 15-16k)
https://www.ormsdirect.co.za/canon-eos-700d-ultimate-bundle

This is where the Nikon people need to help, but a Nikon D3200 with 18-55mm and 55-200mm lenses.
https://www.ormsdirect.co.za/nikon-...-vr-55-200mm-vr-lens-shoulder-bag-8gb-sd-card
or one higher (same I think as your Kalahari one)
https://www.ormsdirect.co.za/nikon-...0mm-lens-shoulder-bag-8gb-sd-card-card-reader

Here is a YouTube video to show the difference in body and lens, the guy is a bit weird/funny, but you get the idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk5IMmEDWH4

I was thinking allot to sell my kit and get a bridge camera (in between small digital and DSLR)(like the Canon SX60 HS – R5600), but the fact remain, light stays light, so on the super zoom bridge
cameras, impressive as it may be, it still capture only so much light and the photo quality can be a testament to that.
So maybe it’s only a numbers game, and not photo quality.

When doing the zoom thing, or high speed shots, or family pics, invest in a decent tri-pod. (the cheapy Game ones is a bit wobbly)

You can always just rent a lens for a special occasion, as you not always need the big stuff, so maybe have a good kit, and rent if needed. Much cheaper than owning one, and it’s in your bag 99% of the year.
https://www.outdoorphoto.co.za/
http://lens4rent.co.za/

I guess you didn’t expect a halve of a bible to answer your question, sorry if I over do it a little. I just wished someone explained it like this to me, it would cut the research and trips to store by allot!

So the short answer to your post, yes that is a very nice deal to get you started. What I can’t quickly see from the Kalahari add is if the lenses is image stabilized (think Nikon call it VR), If it is not, I’ll rather buy the body with a 18-55 lens that is stabilized, and later buy an extra lens, IS make a hell of a difference!
Although the Kalahari add is really at a good price, the IS would put me off.

Kind Regards,

Wow, pretty long answer! Thanks for the effort, it really helped, at least I understand now :D
I've heard good things about Canon, and I can most likely grab on at cost, although i do have a few very close family members who own Nikons, which would benefit me if I need to borrow a lens etc.
So are you suggesting that the D5200 might be a waste of money for me, and that I should rather go for a lower model? The only thing I'm worried about is that if I do get serious about photography, to buy a body for another 6-7k is quite a lot (I'd rather invest in a better lens etc).

I'm going to visit digital experience tomorrow, so I can take a better look at the camera's before I do anything.
I most likely won't buy a 500-600mm lens as I will most likely be taken photos of general scenes. The main reason is that I'm heading the US next year, and want to take some nice photos, which at the moment, I cant :(

Thanks again for all your info, really appreciate it. I'll let you guys know in the week which camera I head for :)

Just a question. What are some of the main differences between Canon and Nikon? Does the body actually make that much of a difference?
 
Wow, pretty long answer! Thanks for the effort, it really helped, at least I understand now :D
I've heard good things about Canon, and I can most likely grab on at cost, although i do have a few very close family members who own Nikons, which would benefit me if I need to borrow a lens etc.
So are you suggesting that the D5200 might be a waste of money for me, and that I should rather go for a lower model? The only thing I'm worried about is that if I do get serious about photography, to buy a body for another 6-7k is quite a lot (I'd rather invest in a better lens etc).

I'm going to visit digital experience tomorrow, so I can take a better look at the camera's before I do anything.
I most likely won't buy a 500-600mm lens as I will most likely be taken photos of general scenes. The main reason is that I'm heading the US next year, and want to take some nice photos, which at the moment, I cant :(

Thanks again for all your info, really appreciate it. I'll let you guys know in the week which camera I head for :)

Just a question. What are some of the main differences between Canon and Nikon? Does the body actually make that much of a difference?

Hi,

One day (+/- 3-4 years back some guy came to one of my clients to take photos of the groups studying there, and he had multiple cameras. On closer inspection I saw a Canon 350D and the 500D. I was planning to buy the 550D, (I had the 350d) and then the guy told me, that the 350 has enough spec to-do that job of taking photo's of groups of people, and that's why he use both.
So to say I say, go4it, not so sure as I don't have knowledge about the Nikon range, but in the Canon one, I would definitely consider a number back, as the differences between 600, 650 and 700 is so small.

In Canon basically the photo side stayed the same, the video taking side improved.

Is this the part I have to swing you from BMW to Audi? No just joking, I can't answer you, as I don't have a spec by spec comparison, but what I can say, I think it is so close and competitive, that you can't go wrong with either of them. My father is in photo club thing, and they have in the group Canon and Nikon people. What I've heard the spec compares nearly 99%, and in one instance the Nikon is better, It was something to-do with the F-stop, but the difference is so small.

Because of your family, and this photo club, I would say go for a Nikon, and buy the best your money can buy. My first DSLR camera is 11 years old now, and still working. (and looking new) So buy the biggest best one you can
What I'm trying to say, Rather buy a 650D with 2x IS lenses (18-55 and 75-300) in a kit, than 700 with only 18-55mm. If you can buy the lenses with IS and the latest model, go4it!

Now only in Nikon numbers...

All the best with your decision!
 
I'm a real noobie when it comes to cameras, but recently I've spent some time using a Nikon D7000 (if I'm correct) and have found it to be a beautiful camera.

On that point: What was it about the D7000 that you liked? Was it the responsiveness of the camera? (think both in terms of the lag between pressing the button and the shot being captured, and the 6 FPS burst frame rate).

Or was it the hardware control (having buttons/scroll wheels for all the important functions) ?

If these aspects are important to you, you might want to consider buying second hand gear (for your stated budget). The Nikon D7000 and the Canon 60D are reasonably matched in terms of handling (as described above).

The Nikon D5200 looks great on paper, but I have not handled one, so I cannot say if it is comparable the D7000 in terms of the user experience.

Anyhow, go and play with some of the candidate systems.
 
On that point: What was it about the D7000 that you liked? Was it the responsiveness of the camera? (think both in terms of the lag between pressing the button and the shot being captured, and the 6 FPS burst frame rate).

Or was it the hardware control (having buttons/scroll wheels for all the important functions) ?

If these aspects are important to you, you might want to consider buying second hand gear (for your stated budget). The Nikon D7000 and the Canon 60D are reasonably matched in terms of handling (as described above).

The Nikon D5200 looks great on paper, but I have not handled one, so I cannot say if it is comparable the D7000 in terms of the user experience.

Anyhow, go and play with some of the candidate systems.

I think the camera is infacr a D7100, all I know is that its brand new (+- 2 months old).
I'm heading to the shop either today or tomorrow to check out all the camera's just to make sure I know what I'm getting myself into :)
 
I think the camera is infacr a D7100, all I know is that its brand new (+- 2 months old).
I'm heading to the shop either today or tomorrow to check out all the camera's just to make sure I know what I'm getting myself into :)

There are a few (desirable) improvements in the D7100 over the D7000, but the D7100 is something like R14k body only.

I see on pricecheck that you can pick up a new D7000 for about R9.5k. Not sure what they are worth second hand.

Although it makes sense to buy the latest and greatest, both the D90 (only used by now) and the D7000 are still excellent cameras that will not hold you back. And they leave some cash for lenses :)
 
You definitely need to hold the cameras to see what you prefer. Feeling right in your hand is critical.

On that point: What was it about the D7000 that you liked? Was it the responsiveness of the camera? (think both in terms of the lag between pressing the button and the shot being captured, and the 6 FPS burst frame rate).

Or was it the hardware control (having buttons/scroll wheels for all the important functions) ?

If these aspects are important to you, you might want to consider buying second hand gear (for your stated budget). The Nikon D7000 and the Canon 60D are reasonably matched in terms of handling (as described above).

The Nikon D5200 looks great on paper, but I have not handled one, so I cannot say if it is comparable the D7000 in terms of the user experience.
Most of the settings on the D5200 have to be done via menus whereas the D7000/7100 have buttons for directly accessing them. It is comfortable to hold, but I grew to dislike having to go through menus to change settings. On the other hand the D7000 just did not feel comfortable to hold, but the D7100 fits my hands perfectly. My brother finds the Nikons too chunky and heavy, preferring his Canon 500D, but I find both that and the the 450D too small. All of them will easily take very good pictures.
 
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