DSP vs. Retail: Windows

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Good morning friends,

I've got a few questions.

Are the DSP Editions of Windows copies just for sale with new computers/and or specific hardware?

If so, why do I keep getting quotations back from companies for DSP Editions?

Does Microsoft actually give a whirl about the fact that people are installing DSP Editions on any computers they please?

As far as I'm aware, the Retail Editions may be used once on any computer, and only on one computer at a time. The DSP is therefore licensed to the system it gets installed on and the Retail to the user.

Any clarification would be great.

Thanks
 
1) yes DSP/OEM is for sale with new computers only - the hardware specifically includes motherboard, cpu, hard drive and case ( this selling with a modem is not legal)
2) They're not informed on the proper licence requirements
3) yes, they together with BSA and SARS are cracking down on retailers/dealers
4) Retail version on one PC at a time. DSP lives and dies with the PC it is on.

5) there are other limits on DSP licencing, if you buy a "naked PC" you have 90 days to purchase a DSP licence, You can also purchase the licence from any dealer but they should ask you to produce the hardware receipt to prove it's not gone over the time period, otherwise you have to go retail version.

Use MS' licence wheel
 
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Drake2007 said:
1) yes DSP/OEM is for sale with new computers only - the hardware specifically includes motherboard, cpu, hard drive and case ( this selling with a modem is not legal)
2) They're not informed on the proper licence requirements
3) yes, they together with BSA and SARS are cracking down on retailers/dealers
4) Retail version on one PC at a time. DSP lives and dies with the PC it is on.

5) there are other limits on DSP licencing, if you buy a "naked PC" you have 90 days to purchase a DSP licence, You can also purchase the licence from any dealer but they should ask you to produce the hardware receipt to prove it's not gone over the time period, otherwise you have to go retail version.

Use MS' licence wheel
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Let's just say the replies I get from some companies pertaining to DSP Editions is a bit shady and shocking to say the least.

Is there any summary which I can send to these folks to let them know they can't sell me DSP Editions and I actually want a Retail quote, because I'd like to obey the law? :confused:
 
teraside said:
Let's just say the replies I get from some companies pertaining to DSP Editions is a bit shady and shocking to say the least.

Is there any summary which I can send to these folks to let them know they can't sell me DSP Editions and I actually want a Retail quote, because I'd like to obey the law? :confused:
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I've emailed MS, lets see if we can get an answer to that.
 
Someone needs to phone a distributor like rectron and sort this out. DSP is sold by many ms gold partners as stand-alone. Whether or not it should I dont know.

One thing I know for sure, is saying its for one PC is very, very vague. Today I have a PC with Windows Vista DSP. tomorrow it pops a cap and its dead. The store fixes it with a new mobo, and says hey - want an upgrade CPU? Yes! want more RAM yes! and ooh the GFX was popped so lets replace that too.

Its still the same case, its still my PC with my data. Or is it? So can I use DSP on it again or not? :)
 
rurapente said:
Someone needs to phone a distributor like rectron and sort this out. DSP is sold by many ms gold partners as stand-alone. Whether or not it should I dont know.

One thing I know for sure, is saying its for one PC is very, very vague. Today I have a PC with Windows Vista DSP. tomorrow it pops a cap and its dead. The store fixes it with a new mobo, and says hey - want an upgrade CPU? Yes! want more RAM yes! and ooh the GFX was popped so lets replace that too.

Its still the same case, its still my PC with my data. Or is it? So can I use DSP on it again or not? :)
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I agree on that yes, MS are a bit vague when it comes to a repair vs. upgrade, and contradictory because that "upgrade" doesn't constitute a new PC so rendering a new DSP licence invalid.

Anyway I've pointed MS SA to this thread, lets see if they'll come help out.
 
OK got a response from MS SA refering to the System Builder Agreement

SB Agreement states:

• (Paragraph 1) “A “fully assembled computer system” means a computer system consisting of at least a central processing unit, a motherboard, a hard drive (internally mounted (Solid State) NAND and/or internally mounted revolving magnetic-based hard drive), a power supply, and a case.”

• (Paragraph 4.1) “We grant you a nonexclusive right to distribute an individual software license only with a fully assembled computer system.”

• (Paragraph 6) “When you distribute an individual software license for a desktop operating system or application software, you must preinstall it on the fully assembled computer system’s hard drive using the OEM Preinstallation Kit (“OPK”) provided in this package or otherwise made available by us.”

On the upgrade question, it is considered a new machine when you replace most of your core components, even if it stays in the same case. Things like upgrading your RAM or Graphics card will not be considered core components.
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Drake2007 said:
I agree.
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To continue this discussion.

I heard a few years ago that some techies managed to buy DSP copies of Windows with hardware such as a HDD Data Cable. Don't quote me on it, but I think they said any hardware that's not a peripheral counts as hardware purchasable with DSP licensing.

Thanks Microsoft for NOT responding. You make my daily work life so enjoyable :rolleyes:
 
Why stress about DSP and retail?
Just purchase keys from me....;)
 
thedon124 said:
Why stress about DSP and retail?
Just purchase keys from me....;)
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Mmm...if your day job was as legitimate as your signature said, I would probably. But I guess it's not since you don't even consider the actual licensing terms of the keys you sell :confused:
 
teraside said:
Mmm...if your day job was as legitimate as your signature said, I would probably. But I guess it's not since you don't even consider the actual licensing terms of the keys you sell :confused:
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All the keys I sell are Retail, and legitimate.
And btw, you don't know what my day job is, to make that comment.:)
 
teraside said:
To continue this discussion.

I heard a few years ago that some techies managed to buy DSP copies of Windows with hardware such as a HDD Data Cable. Don't quote me on it, but I think they said any hardware that's not a peripheral counts as hardware purchasable with DSP licensing.

Thanks Microsoft for NOT responding. You make my daily work life so enjoyable :rolleyes:
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You don't really want to use a DSP licence on older hardware, MS's pov is that PC will be obsolete and pop sooner than later, keep in mind that licence dies with the machine so they are saving people from themselves in a round about way.

As for the dealers quoting you DSP instead of Retail, I really don't know why but none of my suppliers have Retail version on offer- at the end of the day we're classed as OEM / System Builders, how the likes of IC get to sell Retail Windows I have no clue.
 
thedon124 said:
All the keys I sell are Retail, and legitimate.
And btw, you don't know what my day job is, to make that comment.:)
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Then please don't troll a serious discussion in future with snide comments about not fretting over correct licensing terms and to rather purchase "keys" as you call it from you. They aren't keys, they are licenses. The product key is only used to correctly confirm you have a valid license in accordance to the operating system. Fanks, bye.
Drake2007 said:
You don't really want to use a DSP licence on older hardware, MS's pov is that PC will be obsolete and pop sooner than later, keep in mind that licence dies with the machine so they are saving people from themselves in a round about way.

As for the dealers quoting you DSP instead of Retail, I really don't know why but none of my suppliers have Retail version on offer- at the end of the day we're classed as OEM / System Builders, how the likes of IC get to sell Retail Windows I have no clue.
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I agree in a sense. But to return to the first post in the thread, it's actual suppliers that want to sell DSP in the same fashion as Retail. It's probably just lack of knowledge on their part, but Microsoft doesn't put the terms very plainly either. Still can't access that wheel you posted, that would have helped ;)
 
teraside said:
I agree in a sense. But to return to the first post in the thread, it's actual suppliers that want to sell DSP in the same fashion as Retail. It's probably just lack of knowledge on their part, but Microsoft doesn't put the terms very plainly either. Still can't access that wheel you posted, that would have helped ;)
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It's not really the suppliers problem, what the dealers/resellers do with DSP licenses is their responsibility. I doubt that wheel will answer the question but have you tried using IE 32bit with it?

edit: fark great they've moved it somewhere else, let me find it again.
 
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